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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

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  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  waton

  The flood was to clear out the waters in the heavens covering the earth.

  Rg350, just explain to us what these waters in the heavens were, that need to be cleared. How were they held up ? in a bubble under 1000 atp? 14 0000 psi pressure? or was the H20 suspended by orbital velocity, like the rings of Saturn? or was the water stolen from mars? may be in a vaulted transparent firmament ceiling held over the four cornered flat earth?

  Jesus from a muscle powered wood working family, like Noah's, must have had deep respect their accomplishment. No wonder he quit , while the quitting was good, to rise above it all.Even Elon Musk thinks we ought to leave, and the sun is half way through its life.
  
  
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  Wedding Anniversary #62

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.

  take care guys.. smiddy 3.

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  waton

  well, congratulations and best wishes to you, smiddy3 and beloved one.
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  Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  2. beliefs

  thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

  truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

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  waton

  From the Opening Post:

  the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect

  Right, wt writers expected the date, again and again, never happened as they prophesied. unapologetic, evil.

  why were wt's 1919 appointment claims presumptuously? Because the very same article admits that the inspection to determine whether the first feature was carried out properly and the subsequent appointment over all the master’s belongings is yet future!

  Yeah, the appointment in 1919 could not possibly be based on their record, their 1919 doctrines. wt writers then still stubbornly insisted 'the world had ended [ In 1914 ], and that the generation that started then, millions will never die." ***

  that is the oldest lie, warmed over by wt.

  ** proclaimers book, with the 2 witness rule, advertising signs in in 2 languages on 2 continents
  
  
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  Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

  "they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

  what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

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  waton

  current JW doctrine is that the anointed will survive INTO the GT but die before Armageddon.

  a Watcher, thank you! I stand corrected. I took liberty with the timing. I read that the partakers will pass away at the onset of the Great Tribulation. Given that these now immortal warriors, will have to be trained to fall in line, and the rest are at it since their resurrection in 1918, I figured to give them the most time possible.

  Important is, that wt does not teach any more that their 1914 generation will survive the end.
  
  
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  Musings About...Spirit Beings

  by titch in

  1. watchtower
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  folks: this topic might seem a little "out there in left field.

  " but it might be something to think about, or perhaps it's something that you have wondered about in the past.

  i know that i sometimes wondered about it, , even when i was "in" the jw organization.

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  waton

  Even mainstream physicists dapple in more than our 3 dimensions plus time. We know that energy can not be created or destroyed, so it is eternal in the past, and already waiting for us in the future, we move into.

  The laws that govern our universe seem to be very efficient, reflecting a creative intelligence. Speculation by various ancient or modern religions aside, we can not escape that tremendous work was done before our arrival, awakening.

  The bible paints only a caricature of what must be involved.

  With energy and its various expressions, being eternal, it certainly can be seen as a carrier of messages, information.
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  Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

  "they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

  what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

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  waton

  "which generation did Jesus mean? -people living in 1914-- will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system --"

  The geniuses at Brooklyn / Warwick can always read the mind of the Father or Son. By contrast one of the most intelligent wayward creature, (Satan, can not read your mind or mine!)

  New /current *** wt light: The generation will not survive Armageddon, because they, the wt anointed partakers, will die before the Great Tribulation, to go to heaven and cause it.

  *** alternating current. vacillating from doctrine to doctrine
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  Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

  "they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

  what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

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  waton

  how about the brown "Let God be True" full of wrong doctrines?

  I studies myself the " make sure of all things" printed by wt, but with out wt doctrines, except in the selected scriptures, omission of the enlightening ones.

  Bible studies are a joke, no intelligent ones would submit to that "question and answer routine, the drivel presented mid week at the hall. wt propaganda disguised as practise session.
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  new covenant and covenate for a kingdom

  by enoughisenough in

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  posting a video i watched which shows plainly how the nwt changed the words in luke 22:29 to support the idea that the new covenant was for members of 144000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf13plotjog.

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  waton

  My hearing is not good enough to follow the speech, but it was always clear that the New Covenant contrasts with the old covenant, the Law given to Moses.

  The New Covenant is for forgiveness of sins. . In the unlikely case that wt would once be right, and the Other Sheep would never die (starting in 2075), then they would need the New Covenant more than the anointed, who will have to die to go to heaven, paying the price themselves.

  The Priests and Kings had their additional covenants, but they too had to be in the Old, or New Covenants first to get that additional calling.

  Does it matter? yes, because the memorial emblems represent the new covenant, freedom from sin for all, not just the 144 000. All should , must partake, it is even allowed for the partakers, the wt anointed.
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  Does anyone actually believe that Russia blew up its own gas pipeline?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  the claim that russia blew up its own pipeline functions, whether intentionally or not, as a test of our collective intelligence, and it’s worrisome how many fail the test.

  as a former pentagon official put it, “a child could tell you that doesn’t make sense”.

  they talk a lot about russian propaganda and suppression of their media, which i don’t doubt for a minute.

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  waton

  competition between 3 streams of energy out of the east, the proposed south exiting in Syria, Turkiye into the Mediterranean, the middle through Ukraine. The new North Stream is contrary to the war aims in Syria, and to Poland, the closest country to the artificial leak.
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  Today's WT study: build your faith in the paradise by......

  by nowwhat? in

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  daydreaming, fantasizing and using your imagination!.

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  waton

  people will be ‘told where they will live in paradise’..

  of course wt will not tell you of their plans, but think of 'beth-el', in total wt rule, then think the planned planet-el.

  the kingdom government has choice lots to allot in the Gobi and Sahara unassigned territory.