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  Height of mountains before and after the flood .

  by smiddy3 in

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  it was stated many years ago in answer to how did the flood cover the top of all the mountains on earth in noah`s day.?.

  mount everest ?.

  and it was explained away by saying that the mountains before the flood were a lot smaller / lower than the mountains that exist today.. so there was no problem .. when the deluge began with so much volume of water now covering the earth ( water being heavy ) pushed down into the weakest parts of the earth and raised up in other parts of the earth to where we now have higher mountains than existed before the flood of noah`s day.. in other words mount everest didn`t exist at its present height before the flood and neither did any other high mountain that exists today ,the topography all changed with the noachian flood.

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  Funky

  Actually, here is the quote from the Insight Book:

  Resurrection During 1,000 Years. The exact number of humans who have ever lived is unknown to humans. However, by way of illustration, if Jehovah resurrects 20 billion (20,000,000,000) people, there would be no problem as to living space and food for them. The land surface of the earth at present is about 148,000,000 sq km (57,000,000 sq mi), or about 14,800,000,000 ha (36,500,000,000 acres). Even allowing half of that to be set aside for other uses, there would be more than a third of a hectare (almost 1 acre) for each person.

  This was written in the late 80's so yes, the number of "dead resurrected ones" scheduled to come back has grown in the intervening 30+ years.

  I don't know where they got the 20 billion from.
  
  
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  Height of mountains before and after the flood .

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was stated many years ago in answer to how did the flood cover the top of all the mountains on earth in noah`s day.?.

  mount everest ?.

  and it was explained away by saying that the mountains before the flood were a lot smaller / lower than the mountains that exist today.. so there was no problem .. when the deluge began with so much volume of water now covering the earth ( water being heavy ) pushed down into the weakest parts of the earth and raised up in other parts of the earth to where we now have higher mountains than existed before the flood of noah`s day.. in other words mount everest didn`t exist at its present height before the flood and neither did any other high mountain that exists today ,the topography all changed with the noachian flood.

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  Funky

  Yes, I remember - it's another one of those "incredibly embarrassing, but we don't have any better ideas, and we certainly can't admit we were wrong, so let's just not mention it anymore and hope no one notices" doctrines.

  In the same category:

  -- Creative days were exactly 7000 years in length

  -- All plant and animal life began less than 20,000 years ago

  -- Frozen mammoth carcasses are "proof" of a global flood

  -- 20 billion people will be resurrected, and with no deserts everybody will have [x - can't recall the number] acres / hectares of room in the "new world".
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  Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

  by JWTom in

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  this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

  what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

  wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

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  Semi-committal reminders that it's "any day now" simply don't muster up real, genuine long-term enthusiasm, though.

  Some JWs are more hepped up due to COVID-19 - "somehow" it is going to "directly lead" into the great tribulation.

  How, exactly, is never explained, and of course its not an official JW doctrine.

  I suspect / fear that when a COVID vaccine is developed and implemented, and the world gradually returns to "normal" (or a near facsimile of it), a large number of JWs will be very depressed and/or lose their zeal and fade away. If the world recovers from a "4 horsemen of the apocalypse" event, how can even the most non-thinking JW put any stock in WT promises of "very soon now"?

  I don't think that is going to happen in the near future, but it is going to happen.

  And, as others have posted, I don't expect the WT org. to "collapse", but rather slowly fizzle away. The recovery from the pandemic, due to reasons expressed above, may be a catalyst to accelerate the process.
  
  
  
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  Congregation Letter - 2021 Magazines Delayed???

  by JWTom in

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  we had a letter read in our cong.

  last week that said the public wt and awake would be delayed during the beginning of 2021. meaning we would just use the 2020 version into 2021 and there would be no new ones at the beginning of 2021 until an undetermined time sometime during the 1st half of 2021. at least that is the gist that i remember.

  it was in what atlantis provided but there was no further detail....very brief.. any more intel or speculation on this?

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  SBF

  +100 on your observation.

  It's increasingly jarring - the WT article yesterday had as its centerpiece how some random university student became a JW because she took "literature" from a cart to help her write an essay.

  Carts have not been used for 8+ months now, and will not be used again for at least a year, maybe many years, if ever.

  In some countries, even letter writing and phone "witnessing" are not being done due to data privacy laws. There is literally nothing for JWs to do to "preach", other than bother their unbelieving relatives by phone for the 40th time in 8 months.

  The "most important work on earth" has ground to a virtual complete halt. Nazis couldn't do it, Communists couldn't do it, and the JW "literature" gloated over how that was "proof" that Jehovah was "blessing them".

  Now a microscopic virus has this "vital" work completely paralyzed....yet they still write article after article as if it simply did not exist.
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  If Biden wins

  by mickbobcat in

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  if biden wins i hope trump starts the trump news network and hires out from fox the good casters.

  the people who made fox what it is are starting to get sick of how its turning to the left or dark side.

  this would give trump a voice and keep alive real journalism.

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  If Biden wins

  He won. By a lot. 300+ EVs, over 50% of the popular vote (first one to do so against an incumbent since FDR).

  I hope Trump starts the Trump News Network

  Absolutely 100% guaranteed to happen. I'd bet my house, car, and 401K on it. That was his plan since 2015, before he unexpectedly won in 2016.

  There is a huge market for "aggrieved white guys complaining about how life is so, so, SO unfair" and "let's pwn the libs". Trump is ideally suited to fill that....that....I was going to say "niche", but I think "big honking canyon" fits better.

  It is such a lucrative market, why, even a guy who bankrupted a casino could make money from it.
  
  
  
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  Do You Believe In A “Deep State”?

  by minimus in

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  or do you think the idea of a deep state is malarkey?

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  Funky

  And this website continues to inch ever closer to QAnon territory.

  As a certain person might say: Sad.
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  Many Jw’s Love to Speculate About the New System

  by Davros in

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  a comment on another thread cracked me up where the poster related what some elder said on the platform that: .

  in the new system, we likely will not have genitals.” lol.

  i’ve heard so much speculation from many jw’s on what will and won’t be allowed in the new system.

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  I always laugh at all the modern conveniences that show up in the "new world" - lumber cut with laser precision, plastic beach balls, gigantic panes of glass in the windows of the mansions every resident will have, etc.

  None of which would be possible without the intricate, sophisticated, polluting, capitalistic infrastructure present in "this wicked world", not to mention the millions of people who would have to work the same types of boring, repetitive jobs to sustain that complex industrial-grade system.

  You can't have all the plastic balls, beach umbrellas, leather shoes, metal belt buckles, etc. shown in their drawings for the billions of "resurrected ones", while simultaneously the only occupations in the world are [farmer], [construction worker], [Bible teacher] and nothing else.

  Somehow those "new world speculations" always assume that technology and infrastructure will continue uninterrupted at 21st century USA-level standards.
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  Final Prediction on Election

  by minimus in

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  who wins?

  who loses?

  president/ senate/ house of representatives .

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  Funky

  As of a few minutes ago, Trump's lead in Georgia is down to 665 votes.

  Repetition for emphasis:

  Get used to saying it: President-elect Biden

  Washington Post: The Secret Service is sending reinforcements to Wilmington starting Friday to help protect Joe Biden as his campaign prepares for the possibility he may soon claim victory in his bid for the White House, according to two people familiar with the plans.
  
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  My Prediction: Trump Wins Big

  by minimus in

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  a month ago it might have been questionable.

  not now.

  after bader’s death and biden’s inability, this shouldn’t be close.

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  Funky

  Oops!

  This one didn't age well.
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  Pioneers privilige

  by justice34 in

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  organization and congregation seems to give so much attention to the pioneers and the hours.

  encouraging the members to get even the 30h at the month of c/o visit even if they don't complete the minimum of the hours.

  why do they give so much praise and attention to pioneers?

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  Funky

  If you make someone think they are special, make them think they are superior to others, even though you treat them like festering pig pus, most of them won't notice.

  By making pioneers feel "special" about themselves, and superior to "plain old publishers", they won't notice that they are doing utterly meaningless wheel-spinning drudgery. Instead they'll think "Well, the work is pointless and dull, but at least I'm better off than that poor slop who's only a publisher".

  It's nothing new or unique to JWs. The Jim Crow laws were not so much pure racism as they were an economic lever against poor rural whites. "We'll pay them a pittance to work in our textile mills and won't let them unionize, but so long as they think they're better off than those g-d n*****s, they won't notice."