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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  What was said about the *tree* previously, before Mr. snake eye showed up ?

  ms deegee ;)
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  so EVE was confronted with two different statements, in a normal cognitive mind that would create a choice, a decision, unless you are brain dead like deegee !
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  Jehovah's Witnesses denial of what they are supposed to believe from Watchtower

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the most frustrating things.

  when you confront jw's about what they believe they will often deny it.

  such as "if your child is disfellowshipped then you can't have contact with them ever again".

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  Irishdub

  OP.. But why?

  They can't be seen as extremists..the old theocratic warfare machine, to avoid the CULT label !

  I remember we had to portray our kids having hobbies and played outside as *NORMAL* kids for potential custody cases and sundry ..
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  I think the whole point of the storey (real or myth) is who do we trust ?
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  Do WT Publications Make Us Feel Unworthy, Unlovable and Helpless?

  by jp1692 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my contention that the wtbts, (as do all high-control, authoritarian cults), deliberately cultivates dysfunctional beliefs among its members.

  in particular, the most destructive of these beliefs are those that undermine one's feelings of self-worth.

  for a research project i am doing, i am looking for direct quotes from wt publications that seem to be specifically designed to manipulate the readers into feeling: unworthy, unlovable, inadequate and/or helpless.

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  Irishdub

  When I found out that all my efforts of attending 5 meetings a week and field service on Saturdays (knocking on neighbors' doors) was all worthless, since that only got me through the TRIB, and then I had to hang out with elders for 1000 years and another personal test against satan ...I mean hang out with the elders for 1000 years .!!!!
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  US Republican congressman, others injured by shooter in Washington DC

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tragic occurrence:.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/steve-scalise-shot-in-virginia-aide-also-hit/ar-bbcfakv?li=bbnb7kz.

  i saw another report indicating that the gunman may have targetting gop members.

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  Irishdub

  Trump's Rhetoric is invariably divisive ....working hard to get a police state, and imprison free press !

  I have Stephen Colbert's escape plan through Canada ;)

  SAD
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  Disfellowshipped Brother Gives Public Talk in Kingdom Hall

  by The Searcher in

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  2. friends

  absolutely beautiful!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbmfx4isku.

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  Irishdub

  LOL
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  Irishdub

  JW GoneBAd - Russian authorities are ousting JWs cause they're extremists, then JWs must truly be extremists...ya think!

  
  

  I guess the Russian orthodox church does not like being slandered as SATANIC !
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  Irishdub

  TOR1500 Wish I knew how to do it....how do you make a suggestion like that....that would make to much sense...if the GB's really cared about them, they would get them out of there..

  The reality is the GB don't care, we were/are used as pawns, I wish they would prove me wrong, and die for the sheep, they forsake the sheep in my experience.

  Case in point, when I was active, (many years ago in Ireland) some local Irish elders ORGANISED a little get together in a restaurant/bar (private room) to have a fellowship meal, *with the purpose of sharing* clothing, food items ETC, to the poorer JWs in our community. Those less fortunate could take freely, and in private. The givers and the takers were NOT discussed, just a fun get together. I was informed later that the Watchtower COMPANY MEN frowned on this unauthorized get together and the local irish elders were marked and disciplined. This is disposition of the WTS, and it has not changed. there is no real love, its unity is based on fear and manipulation.

  Maybe someone will send a letter from readers and suggest we all (approx. 8 million) should give $2 per week to bring our Friends home....undercover...

  Great idea ...but, does not your comment *UNDERCOVER* and being a *JW WOMAN * speak VOLUMES of this organization's hypocrisy for fighting for their freedom and rights and denying YOU the same privileges ! Makes my heart SAD for its victims ..nothing personal to you, you have a good heart

  Irish

  
  
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  Irishdub

  We are all aware that the WTS are not the only religion under scrutiny in Russia.

  USA evangelicals, scientology, SDA, Moslems and all minority groups considered *unorthodox* to *Russian Nationalism.* also !

  The refugee crises has ignited a new *Nationalistic* spirit within Europe, USA and else where ...Islamic ISIS.

  It will be interesting to see the WTS GB's reaction IF it hits them personally, here in USA, considering the current GOP hypocritical *religious nationalism* (America First/ USA supreme court ? ) is giving *more power to some religious institutions* to be more outspoken without fear of losing their tax exemption. Minority religions will not fair well, MADJW (and subsequently WTS JWs) will be a prime target for the HATE he spews against ALL christians. He is still active on TOPIXS..lol

  irish