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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  I think the whole point of the storey (real or myth) is who do we trust ?
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  Do WT Publications Make Us Feel Unworthy, Unlovable and Helpless?

  by jp1692 in

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  2. beliefs

  it is my contention that the wtbts, (as do all high-control, authoritarian cults), deliberately cultivates dysfunctional beliefs among its members.

  in particular, the most destructive of these beliefs are those that undermine one's feelings of self-worth.

  for a research project i am doing, i am looking for direct quotes from wt publications that seem to be specifically designed to manipulate the readers into feeling: unworthy, unlovable, inadequate and/or helpless.

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  When I found out that all my efforts of attending 5 meetings a week and field service on Saturdays (knocking on neighbors' doors) was all worthless, since that only got me through the TRIB, and then I had to hang out with elders for 1000 years and another personal test against satan ...I mean hang out with the elders for 1000 years .!!!!
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  US Republican congressman, others injured by shooter in Washington DC

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  tragic occurrence:.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/steve-scalise-shot-in-virginia-aide-also-hit/ar-bbcfakv?li=bbnb7kz.

  i saw another report indicating that the gunman may have targetting gop members.

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  Trump's Rhetoric is invariably divisive ....working hard to get a police state, and imprison free press !

  I have Stephen Colbert's escape plan through Canada ;)

  SAD
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  Disfellowshipped Brother Gives Public Talk in Kingdom Hall

  by The Searcher in

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  absolutely beautiful!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbmfx4isku.

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  LOL
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  JW GoneBAd - Russian authorities are ousting JWs cause they're extremists, then JWs must truly be extremists...ya think!

  
  

  I guess the Russian orthodox church does not like being slandered as SATANIC !
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  TOR1500 Wish I knew how to do it....how do you make a suggestion like that....that would make to much sense...if the GB's really cared about them, they would get them out of there..

  The reality is the GB don't care, we were/are used as pawns, I wish they would prove me wrong, and die for the sheep, they forsake the sheep in my experience.

  Case in point, when I was active, (many years ago in Ireland) some local Irish elders ORGANISED a little get together in a restaurant/bar (private room) to have a fellowship meal, *with the purpose of sharing* clothing, food items ETC, to the poorer JWs in our community. Those less fortunate could take freely, and in private. The givers and the takers were NOT discussed, just a fun get together. I was informed later that the Watchtower COMPANY MEN frowned on this unauthorized get together and the local irish elders were marked and disciplined. This is disposition of the WTS, and it has not changed. there is no real love, its unity is based on fear and manipulation.

  Maybe someone will send a letter from readers and suggest we all (approx. 8 million) should give $2 per week to bring our Friends home....undercover...

  Great idea ...but, does not your comment *UNDERCOVER* and being a *JW WOMAN * speak VOLUMES of this organization's hypocrisy for fighting for their freedom and rights and denying YOU the same privileges ! Makes my heart SAD for its victims ..nothing personal to you, you have a good heart

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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  We are all aware that the WTS are not the only religion under scrutiny in Russia.

  USA evangelicals, scientology, SDA, Moslems and all minority groups considered *unorthodox* to *Russian Nationalism.* also !

  The refugee crises has ignited a new *Nationalistic* spirit within Europe, USA and else where ...Islamic ISIS.

  It will be interesting to see the WTS GB's reaction IF it hits them personally, here in USA, considering the current GOP hypocritical *religious nationalism* (America First/ USA supreme court ? ) is giving *more power to some religious institutions* to be more outspoken without fear of losing their tax exemption. Minority religions will not fair well, MADJW (and subsequently WTS JWs) will be a prime target for the HATE he spews against ALL christians. He is still active on TOPIXS..lol

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  exJW from Galway, Ireland

  by Band Completely in

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  2. experiences

  i've been reading many articles on here and other forums relating to exjws for some time.

  when my mother first got involved with the witnesses back in '77, my mother's mother and my father's mother, being the "good catholics that they were", gave my father "license" to do "whatever it takes" to stop her associating with these people.. due to "confirmation bias", (i.e.

  "satan will do whatever he can to stop you associating with us"), this "persecution" only convinced her that the witnesses had "the truth".

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  Band Completely

  Ex JW from Dublin Ireland

  TO

  Ex JW from Galway Ireland ..

  Great Post ..we have a lot in common ..

  oh ...*Pog Mo Thoin* (joking lol) the brits wont get it !

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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  TOR1500 Now get this...the org. says it has approx. 8 million friends...we meet twice a week, if we all give $2 per week the org. would collect approx. give or take $16 million a week, just think just $2 per week. That could be announced from the stage, friends...just $2 per week and we can help our Russian friends leave Russia,

  Enabling control freaks (failed FDS GB Concept) does not solve the problem, they cant be trusted with our money, and our best intentions. They kill that spirit !

  Your sentiments have a good motive, why not try to start an *outreach Russian project* for the brothers and sisters reaping the consequences of a slanderous hate cult, and you will be kicked in the derry-air ....we were/are used as pawns for their propaganda.

  Dont get me wrong, I'm all in favor of your project, get back to me and others here that might be interested, if you can do this WITHOUT GB or WTS ORG approval !!!

  sincerely

  Irish

  
  
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  A chapter on The Trinity

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

  as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

  while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

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  Irishdub

  Hi Doug

  Thanks for information, I will check out Origen as suggested.

  as regards *fear of death* and *religious affiliation*, I have neither, since I'm a committed Christian Annihilationist, and feel free in Christ to fellowship with any christian denomination. But I do fear the *process* of dying ;)

  *a SINNER* ..The fear/respect of God is the beginning of wisdom, So like gravity is a law, I believe a genuine soul searching humble attitude towards God ps. 51:10 (every morning with lots of coffee lol) is like a law that reaps dependency on his power for living with myself and others with a peaceful mindset. (not fear) my wife avoids me first thing in the early mornings, until I have my *coffee with jesus* (thats what I call my daily bible study) otherwise im a grumpy old man/fart ephesians 4:23.

  I have always been impressed with support groups for addictions, so *im a sinner saved by / in grace*, sets the right attitude for receiving spiritual blessings and a renewed mind daily. , ephesians 4:23, romans chapter 5. I believe the apostle Paul showed the same example, dependency and attitude galatians 2:20, Romans 7:24

  thanks for taking an interest and advise.

  sincerely

  Irish