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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
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  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  So after all that, you now came to realize there was a choice between two conflicting statements ?
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  sorry... is this a threesome now ?
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  What was said about the *tree* previously, before Mr. snake eye showed up ?

  ms deegee ;)
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  so EVE was confronted with two different statements, in a normal cognitive mind that would create a choice, a decision, unless you are brain dead like deegee !
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  Jehovah's Witnesses denial of what they are supposed to believe from Watchtower

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the most frustrating things.

  when you confront jw's about what they believe they will often deny it.

  such as "if your child is disfellowshipped then you can't have contact with them ever again".

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  Irishdub

  OP.. But why?

  They can't be seen as extremists..the old theocratic warfare machine, to avoid the CULT label !

  I remember we had to portray our kids having hobbies and played outside as *NORMAL* kids for potential custody cases and sundry ..
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  “Tree of good and bad” means what?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

  however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

  for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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  Irishdub

  I think the whole point of the storey (real or myth) is who do we trust ?
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  Do WT Publications Make Us Feel Unworthy, Unlovable and Helpless?

  by jp1692 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my contention that the wtbts, (as do all high-control, authoritarian cults), deliberately cultivates dysfunctional beliefs among its members.

  in particular, the most destructive of these beliefs are those that undermine one's feelings of self-worth.

  for a research project i am doing, i am looking for direct quotes from wt publications that seem to be specifically designed to manipulate the readers into feeling: unworthy, unlovable, inadequate and/or helpless.

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  Irishdub

  When I found out that all my efforts of attending 5 meetings a week and field service on Saturdays (knocking on neighbors' doors) was all worthless, since that only got me through the TRIB, and then I had to hang out with elders for 1000 years and another personal test against satan ...I mean hang out with the elders for 1000 years .!!!!
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  US Republican congressman, others injured by shooter in Washington DC

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  tragic occurrence:.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/steve-scalise-shot-in-virginia-aide-also-hit/ar-bbcfakv?li=bbnb7kz.

  i saw another report indicating that the gunman may have targetting gop members.

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  Irishdub

  Trump's Rhetoric is invariably divisive ....working hard to get a police state, and imprison free press !

  I have Stephen Colbert's escape plan through Canada ;)

  SAD
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  Disfellowshipped Brother Gives Public Talk in Kingdom Hall

  by The Searcher in

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  absolutely beautiful!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbmfx4isku.

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  Irishdub

  LOL
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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  Irishdub

  JW GoneBAd - Russian authorities are ousting JWs cause they're extremists, then JWs must truly be extremists...ya think!

  
  

  I guess the Russian orthodox church does not like being slandered as SATANIC !