Posts by Rocketman123

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Remembering Rutherford

by Sea Breeze in

he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

[220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

Rocketman123

however I am puzzled. If you believed from before the 1980s that the WT claimed to be a prophet and since you knew they got so many things wrong, why did you stay with them for so long?

So your saying that people who were baptized and fully active as a JWS cant awake to new found information that slowly changes their thinking about what they have been taught or persuaded to preach door to door. ???

Do you enjoy taking the piss out people ?

Since I don't know the governing body members personally (nor the anonymous
writers of the writing team) it is very hard for me to know if they are lying, instead
of merely telling false statements.

Ok I'll give you an example, the WTS made the proclamation through its literature that mankind existence has come to 6000 years. First used in the early 1900's by C Russell, then in 1941 by F Franz , then again by him in the late 1960's to established 1975, he even said October of that year.

All these proclaimed dates were devised under a premise that mankind existence has come to 6000 years and therefore supposedly living in the last days and that a new era of 1000 years was to come.

The problem with this dating is that its impossible to make that calculation, to a given month no less from bible chronological calculations.

Bullshit lies in other words.

It is assumed that C Russell got that from Pyramidology which he taught and preached, then people like F Franz reused it as a form of promotional strategy.

DJW I've been on this forum for over 16 years with different user names, I've gathered a lot information about the WTS/JWS religion since then.

Your just new, so you've got a lot to learn so stick around if you will.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Rocketman123

Thanks for the info Jeffro interesting

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Poll: Atheists overwhelmingly oppose the death penalty, but most Christians favor it

by Disillusioned JW in

see https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/06/16/poll-atheists-overwhelmingly-oppose-the-death-penalty-most-christians-favor-it/ .

i am an atheist and i disapprove of the death penalty.

i remember michael dukakis, when he was a usa presidential candidate, saying i he was opposed to the death penalty - even for rapists and murderers.

Rocketman123

Weird nevertheless DJW

How do you accurately define who wants what concerning the death penalty when human orchestrated crimes vary so much from one to another ?

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Rocketman123

So the ending reality to what happened to Jerusalem and the surrounding area is that it was under servitude for almost 70 years by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar but was only laid desolate for approximately 47 +/- a couple of years after he finally destroyed much of the city including the main temple in 586 BCE, captivating much of the predominant inhabitants to Babylon.

There are we all happy now ?

The WTS's dating of Jerusalem's destruction in 607 BCE has little or no background support from various confirmed sources including the bible.

Turn the page and move on .

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Poll: Atheists overwhelmingly oppose the death penalty, but most Christians favor it

by Disillusioned JW in

see https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/06/16/poll-atheists-overwhelmingly-oppose-the-death-penalty-most-christians-favor-it/ .

i am an atheist and i disapprove of the death penalty.

i remember michael dukakis, when he was a usa presidential candidate, saying i he was opposed to the death penalty - even for rapists and murderers.

Rocketman123

Sorry cant agree with this poll

You cant honesty make a suggestive statement like that with single brush stroke over all atheists or either Christians.

ie. I'm a atheist and I'm for the death penalty under certain circumstances.

This poll sucks and I wouldn't put much validity to it.

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What Do You Think About New York City?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i have been to the city hundreds of times.

i’ve always loved the vitality of the city and no one could ever say that you could get bored in nyc.

i regularly went for business during the day and in the evenings go to local bars and restaurants as well as the village.

Rocketman123

The holy temple of Capitalism.

Its busy noisy and polluted just like most big cities and very expensive to live there.

Worth a visit once I think but I wouldn't want to live there.

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Remembering Rutherford

by Sea Breeze in

he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

[220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

Rocketman123

Since you say they claimed to be a prophet, I think that most likely you never were a JW,

Oh f.. off I was a JWS from birth late 1950's. left permanently in the mid 1980's

By the fact that they say / preach that Christ has returned to his heavenly throne in 1914 and that mankind is now living in the last days is quite clear that they are identifying themselves as prophets supposedly guided by god's holy spirit.

They didn't adhere to Jesus's words when he said no one knows of the time not even even he and then admonished his followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time.

The very reason why most other Christian based faiths have not done what the WTS men have done.

Why did the WTS men set a time and disregard Jesus's words is because they had literature to sell and lure in people to the organization where they too can financially contribute to the organization through money and labor.

Share in the sins of those top controlling men in other words..

Its quite obvious Rutherford was a charlatan whore who lived a rich lavish life off the WTS's proceeds.

Now days the GB men share the wealth of those proceeds, such as building new modern technically expensive buildings complete with swimming pools and tennis courts.

Get it ?

DJW if your that much in denial and willing to white wash over the JWS , why dont get your suit on and get back, you'll get a pretentious conditional smile at the Kingdom Hall waiting for you but dont tell them you've been here discussing the faith or you wont.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Rocketman123

Religious convictions are usually diverse from truth and intellectual honesty.

So arguing with someone who wants to uphold their religious convictions is like talking to a brick wall.

Thats also why so many people leave the JW religion.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Rocketman123

As I've said before scholar cant be articulately honest because of his devout religoius convictions as a JWS.

His counter agreements are nevertheless useful to those interested in the doctrines made by the JWS such as 607 BCE and 1914 showing how flawed they are.

The top JWs leaders have never been involved in academic bible theology, they have been involved in novice charlatanism though.

Right Neil ?

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Remembering Rutherford

by Sea Breeze in

he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

[220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

Rocketman123

Since they did not claim to receive any revelations for God, then technically they had not spoken in the name of the god in the sense of being a prophet (or claiming to be a prophet) of the god - despite coming extremely close to such.

Sorry guy but they have proclaimed that they are guided by god's holy spirit and they have claimed in their literature they are modern day prophets.

Since they say things that god has not given them to say or preached/teach things that are against Jesus's own instructions for preaching his Gospel, they are identifiable as false prophet apostates according to scripture.

It all depends on what you take to heart, their words or the bible's words.

Jesus's or theirs .