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Who Is Your Top American?

by expatbrit in

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the bbc is conducting a poll to find people's opinion on the most important personage in american history.. a short list of the top ten nominees will be posted on the website tomorrow, and then you can vote on your choice from those ten.. here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/2957480.stm.

happy voting!.

expatbrit

searchfothetruth

George W Bush.

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Predictions for the New Football Season....no egg chasers allowed!

by searchfothetruth in

predictions for the new football season: .

1. who will win the premiership?

2. who will be top goal scorer?

searchfothetruth

Predictions for the New football season:

1. Who will win the Premiership?

2. Who will be Top goal Scorer?

3. Who will be relegated?

4. Who will win the Champions League?

5. Who will win the UEFA cup?

6. Who will be promoted to the Premiership?

7. Who will be the first sacked manager?

8. FA cup winners?

If anyone says Portsmouth for the first question (englishman) then you have to put Man Ure for question 3!

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SOJ explain how your conscience allows you to post on Apostate site?

by LyinEyes in

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i am really curious as to how you will answer this soj,,,,,,,and any other active jw's who post here, even read here,,,,,,,,,because when i was an active witness,,,,,,,,i was taught that reading any apostate material was wrong.

i didnt even watch a tv show that talked bad about the jw"s for fear it was an apostate program.. i know if you are caught soj, posting here,,,,,,you would not have been reinstated( you were right?

), so did you tell the elders you post here?

searchfothetruth

SOJ.

I have never answered a post you've made but your arrogance is overwhelming this time.

Most people on this board are not here to be witnessed too. They KNOW that the Watchtower is just another corrupt religion and if you can't see that then maybe your the one that needs witnessing to.

regards

mark

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Guantanomo Bay to become death camp!

by Abaddon in

nice to see the us government is setting standards for the rest of the world to follow again.... (links from secular blasphemy).

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255e401,00.html.

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,963108,00.html.

searchfothetruth

Something you may want to consider:

AL QEADA SUSPECTS WALK FREE.

A Dutch court cleared 12 men yesterday of plotting a 'Holy War' against the west. The man had been accused of helping to recruit Al Quaeda and Taliban fighters in the Netherlands.

But the Rotterdam district court said that there was no evidence to convict them.

The prosecutions case was hit during the three-and-a-half week trial when judges ruled evidence provided by the Dutch secret service inadmissable because it was uncorroborated. Intelligence officers called to testify during the trial had refused to elaborate on the information or disclose sources. The court issued a rebuke to prosecutors, accusing them of mistakes and carelessness.

The four Algerians, a Frenchman, a Libyan, an Iraqi, an Egyptian, a Turk, a Mauritian and a Dutch citizen were arrested last year in raids across the Netherlands after their phones were tapped. Police seized video's and books from their homes.

The men- who faced sentances of up to three years in jail- were jubilant after the verdict, smiling and waving at friends in the public gallery. It was the second big case lost by Dutch public prosecutors pursuing Al Quaeda-linked charges in the past six months.

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If these men were let off because there was NO evidence, then how many of the hostages in Guantanamo Bay would have to be released for the same reason?

If the Americans had sufficient evidence to convict these people then surely they would try them and make a public display of convicting them.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

searchfothetruth

Last Updated: Thursday, 5 June, 2003, 15:10 GMT 16:10 UK alt

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Bush vows to find Iraqi weapons

Controversy over Iraq's alleged WMD rages on

President George Bush has dismissed doubts about the existence of Saddam Hussein's alleged chemical and biological arsenal.

In a speech to US troops in the Gulf Emirate of Qatar, Mr Bush promised to "reveal the truth" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

His comments come as controversy continues to mount about how imminent a threat the Saddam Hussein regime posed before it was ousted by US-led forces.

A well-informed source close to British intelligence has told the BBC that drafts of last September's UK dossier on Iraq's WMD were sent back to intelligence agencies repeatedly with a request for changes.

Evidence has been distorted and the public has really been misled on issues that helped inform the decision about war and peace alt

Greg Thielman
Former US intelligence official

And a senior former US intelligence official has suggested that evidence against Iraq was distorted in order to justify the attack.

The British intelligence source told BBC diplomatic correspondent Barnaby Mason that Downing Street sent the draft dossier on WMD back to the Joint Intelligence Committee six or eight times with a request that the language should be strengthened.

In response, Downing Street said no pressure had been put on the intelligence services to change the document.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair told parliament on Wednesday that no minister, official or member of his staff had tried to override the judgements of the intelligence agencies.

The Pentagon has also strongly denied suggestions that it slanted intelligence findings about the Iraqi arsenal.

Both the British parliament and the US Congress are to investigate possible abuse of intelligence information in the run-up to the war.

"Saddam Hussein's got a big country in which to hide them. Well, we'll look," President Bush said on the last stop in a hectic overseas tour which took him to Europe and the Middle East.

New inspections

The first of 1,400 experts ordered to Iraq to continue the search arrived in Baghdad on Wednesday night.

In his speech, Mr Bush highlighted the fact that two mobile laboratories had been found and that the search for WMD was continuing.

The chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix returned to the UN Security Council on Thursday to present what may be his final report before retiring at the end of this month.

He said Iraq had left "many unanswered questions" about its unconventional weapons, but this did not mean such dangerous arms still existed.

Mr Blix said it was "not justified to jump to the conclusion that something exists just because it is unaccounted for."

Experts from the UN nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, are on their way to Iraq to inspect the country's largest nuclear complex following post-war looting, to determine what may be missing from it.

'Distorted'

Greg Thielman, who was until September 2002 a top official in charge of non-proliferation and strategic affairs in the US state department's intelligence bureau, has expressed doubt over the objectivity of the US evidence presented to the world.

"Evidence has been distorted and the public has really been misled on issues that helped inform the decision about war and peace," he told the BBC's Today programme.

"Our office had the responsibility of looking at intelligence from all sources that were available to the US Government and from all agencies," he said.

WERE WE MISLED OVER WMD? alt

I supported the war, with or without the discovery of WMD, but if there are questions of deception then there must be an inquiry - democracies must remain open alt

Shawn Hampton, Oregon, US alt

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"The way that some of the other parts of the intelligence community like the CIA packaged information and presented it to its superiors did not seem to always be the most objective."

Senior intelligence officials quoted by the Washington Post said Vice-President Dick Cheney and his most senior aide made several trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programmes and alleged links to al-Qaeda.

This put some analysts under pressure to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials.

The visits "sent signals, intended or otherwise, that a certain output was desired from here," one senior agency official said.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

searchfothetruth

1400 new 'specialists' have been flown into Iraq to search for WMD.

GW bush is shortly going to visit Iraq.

Whats the betting that suddenly, just before or on the day, that Bush arrives in Iraq, he will be able to congratulate the 'specialists' upon finding the missing WMD?

Am I being cynical? Hell yes, but would you bet against it?

French Serial Killer blames Top Politicians....just like Belgium Case.

by searchfothetruth in

we all know about the belgium paedophile ring that was covered up because of the involvement of top politicians and police officials in the kidnapping and abuse and ultimately, murder of at least 12 young girls.

the man jailed said that he was under orders from higher-ups to provide girls for these elite figures to abuse at parties...the case was very publically covered up...the investigator removed when he gat too close and the public took to the streets in fury.. well, here's another case which has all the hallmarks of being very similar:.

toulouse officials ordered murder, says serial killer .

searchfothetruth

We all know about the Belgium Paedophile ring that was covered up because of the involvement of top politicians and police officials in the kidnapping and abuse and ultimately, murder of at least 12 young girls. The man jailed said that he was under orders from higher-ups to provide girls for these Elite figures to abuse at parties...the case was very publically covered up...the investigator removed when he gat too close and the public took to the streets in fury.

Well, here's another case which has all the hallmarks of being very similar:

Toulouse officials ordered murder, says serial killer

Paul Webster
Tuesday June 3, 2003
The Guardian France's most notorious serial killer has claimed that he murdered at least one victim on the orders of highly placed personalities in Toulouse because of a blackmail threat linked to sadomasochistic orgies involving politicians, judges and police.

Dominique Baudis, the city's former mayor and current head of the Conseil Supérieur de l'Audiovisuel, an independent broadcasting watchdog, said through a lawyer yesterday that he was among four people named by the murderer, Patrice Alègre, who is serving a life sentence for five killings, involving extreme cruelty, and six rapes.

Mr Baudis's lawyer, Francis Szpiner, dismissed Alègre's claim that the former mayor took part in orgies and "was involved in the organisation of a murder".

But his client, a former television presenter and newsreader, wanted to be interrogated so that he could "regain his honour", claiming that he was a victim of a political conspiracy.

The affair is linked to evidence uncovered during the past two years by a special homicide squad investigating the disappearance of 115 women and girls in the Toulouse region over 12 years. Most were girls who had run away from home.

Suspicion that Alègre had committed crimes other than those for which he was jailed in 1997 led to an inquiry by examining magistrates into "acts of torture and barbarity, pimping and rapes of under-age girls" that could lead to a number of prosecutions.

Magistrates, politicians, policemen, journalists and businessmen are due to be questioned as part of the inquiry.

Among the fallout from the affair in France's fourth biggest city was the sacking last week of Jean Volff, the prosecutor-general. He was one of a number of court officials in Toulouse who have been forced to explain their alleged knowledge of the affair.

One judge has admitted to drinking with Alègre and another has said that there was "some truth" in evidence from two former prostitutes of an official cover-up of Alègre's crimes.

Alègre, a policeman's son, organised the city's prostitution business, providing under-age girls for sadomasochistic orgies at a courthouse in the city and at a chateau owned by the town council.

In a letter from his cell sent to TV presenter Karl Zero at the weekend, Alègre said that the former prostitutes, known as Patricia and Fanny, were telling the truth about the murders of two other prostitutes which they had witnessed but which he had previously denied.

One of the dead women had been strangled by him and thrown into a lake for refusing to join in orgies. He had strangled the other while raping her in a hotel in the city centre because she wanted to report the killing.

A vice squad detective allegedly assured Alègre, who worked in the police canteen, that the murder would be classified as suicide.

In his letter, Alègre also admitted killing Claude Martinez, a male prostitute, who filmed orgies with a hidden camera and wanted to blackmail those who had taken part.

Alègre said that during a meeting in a mansion in Toulouse he had been ordered to "shut up Martinez" by "people who might have been filmed" during group sex in which "everyone sniffed coke as hard as they could".

"I can imagine that the affair will be stifled because all the people implicated in the case are people with power," he wrote in the letter after naming Mr Baudis.

The letter was written after Alègre met a magistrate to give details of unsolved crimes. Only part of the four-page document has been published but, according to a source who has read all of it, Alègre's confession "contains precise details about the places, situations and personalities involved in the orgies".

Special report
France

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Lightning strikes my house, again!

by avengers in

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yesterday the 4th.

of june at approx.

16:20 lightning struck my house in an awesome thunderstorm.. power went out right away.

searchfothetruth

...lightening doesn't strike twice....you must really have angered the Gods...

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BRITS v YANKS

by nicolaou in

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brits v yanks.

this is just for laughs, but let's be honest us brits are most definately ahead of our 'cousins' across the water in the credibility stakes.. i'll kick us off and see where we go;.

[1] the beautiful game.. it's called football.

searchfothetruth

Nic.

When I clicked on this thread I didn't realise that it was an old one at first. So reading the thread and seeing everyone having a dig at each other with no insults or animosity building up surprised me.

If this thread was posted now, the person posting it would probably be accused of inciting or trouble causing...

I think Sept 11th has deeply effected the way people now think and as recent threads have shown people are becoming sensitive to criticism, and understandably so.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

searchfothetruth

So George Bush is going find the WMD to help Blair...what about himself?

Thursday 5 June 2003 02:44pm

BUSH COMFORT FOR BLAIR OVER WMD

Jun 5 2003

By Ben Rankin

George W Bush provided some comfort for embattled Tony Blair today by pledging to "uncover the truth" about Saddam Hussein's arsenal.

With the Prime Minister embroiled in a deepening row over the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Mr Bush vowed to justify the reason for the war.

Addressing US troops in Qatar, he said: "This is a man who spent decades hiding tools of mass murder. He knew the inspectors were looking for them. You know better than me he's got a big country in which to hide them.

"We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth."

But Mr Blair continued to be dogged by claims Downing Street "sexed up" intelligence information to bolster the case for war on Iraq.

Former Leader of the House of Commons Robin Cook, who quit the Cabinet over Iraq, said the Government had wanted to go to war and set out to gather the evidence to support that approach.

Mr Cook told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think that what has happened here is that the Government started out from a conclusion. It wanted to go to war, it then needed the evidence to support the war.

"The danger is that really there was some degree of self-deception as they looked for the evidence that supported the case for war and did not give equal prominence to the evidence that might have pointed in the other direction."

Mr Blair also faced criticism from Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith over the allegations that the weapons evidence was altered.

"I don't know what was doctored or changed if anything was doctored or changed. My point is simply that it doesn't affect whether it was right to go to war.

"My concern is that there is a culture in this Government that essentially spins, deceives and ultimately, at times, lies about what they are doing.

"That affects the ability of the Government subsequently to be able to take decisions and persuade the British people this is right," he told GMTV.

He said the only way to clear the situation up was to "put all the information on the table or have an independent inquiry".

Meanwhile former MI5 officer David Shayler said he believed the intelligence services had not supported the Iraqi war.

Mr Shayler told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I know from my contacts that there are very few intelligence officers who thought that the case against Iraq justified a war."

He added: "I have been briefed against by rogue elements of the intelligence services, I have also been briefed against by No 10. So I am quite glad to see Tony Blair getting a taste of his own medicine.

"I would imagine that the vast majority of people within the services would be opposed to that war.

"People who work with intelligence day in day out understand that raw intelligence can so easily be misrepresented. Once it gets into the hands of politicians and they start to manipulate that is even more dangerous.

"And we have seen time and time again that when Tony Blair is in a corner he will try and spin his way out, he will misrepresent anything."

Mr Shayler warned: "Prime Ministers who don't do what the intelligence services say to them don't last very long."