Posts by schnell

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

Which fact?

Oh, I don't know, the one you're arguing about, possibly?

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

It is a relatively recent idea that 2520 years after a temple somewhere in the world got destroyed, something/anything would happen in the spirit realm. It is that idea that creates the interest a party has in that 2520 years terminating in 1914 or in 1933/4.

Why would this god wait 2520 years to do anything? Why would anything like this take that long, and that specific amount of time? I don't know, because the church wants money, that's why.

I could play with the numbers a little. Maybe that'll bring up something interesting.

2 + 5 + 2 + 0 = 9

1 + 2 + 6 + 0 = 9

1 + 4 + 4 = 9

1260 * 2 = 2520

2520 / 12 = 1260 / 24 = 210 (Note that 2520 is a multiple of 12, because of course it is.)

1260 / 12 = 105

12 * 100 = 1200

12 * 5 = 60 (Yes, yes, Babylonian math was base-60 and 1260 is 12*100 + 60. At this point I'm messing around.)

2520 = 12*5*21*2

2520 = 2*3*4*5*7*3

2520 = 3*4*5*6*7 (Of course, 1260 = 2*3*5*6*7)

1260 = 35 * 36

36 * 2 = 72

36 * 2 * 2 = 144

Anyway. Carry on.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

Some people live in a construct where fact is subjective and logical deduction is washed away like grease on Teflon with one simple card: "You weren't there."

These people have already bought the premise of their party's circular reasoning, and they feel they have an interest in their party being right.

Everyone else gets to deal with it.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

However, I'd like to ask you, do you feel that there are unfinished business between you and them? I ask because on one hand you are not answering the door, but on the other you are mentioning things you'd like to tell them.
I know that as we build confidence and a life outside the WT we become less and less interested in whatever they have to say, so I guess I'm asking where do you feel you are in relationship to them as of now? I think that matters since the degree of attachment (or detachment) does affect your reaction to them.

In relation to them, I feel that I've outgrown them and seen them for what they are. Rationally, I know they'll continue on. I'd prefer to be left alone and for them to go away, and failing the former, I'd love a conversation with someone rational and curious who'll listen but I won't proactively seek it out in person. In all probability, I know it won't happen. They all seem tied up in the cult.

At the same time, I lost all my friends I had for years. So many nights out, so many battle scars, so many drunken adventures, and now that we're all married off, I'm cast out because I pointed out the cult. I bring up that we are married off, because newly wed JW men can get downright obnoxious with zeal. Suddenly, everyone wants to reach out and be an elder. I can remember conversations we had before they were married when these same friends expressed hesitance and reluctance at reaching out. Now they're all zealous, and at possibly the most academically anorexic period in Watchtower history. Way to go, gents.

A loss is a loss. If I opened my mouth to talk about the weather, they probably wouldn't listen to me now. Naturally, I'm trying to fill that void in other areas (online, at work, etc.). Is that unfinished business? Oh, it's just a set-up for a future adventure, whatever that may be.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

Well, it wasn't JWs. Phew.

I stepped out for my Saturday afternoon walk, and this fell at my feet.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

In all seriousness, if the elders cared about my family or our associating with one another as family, they wouldn't have disfellowshipped my brother after he gave his wife the divorce and then baptized her in the midst of that divorce when nobody else was up for baptism.

They literally put their precious numbers ahead of my family. So, yeah, even on a personal note, fuck them.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

But hey, the upshot of calling us brothers and sisters is to replace family members who leave the Borg. I'd tell the groups that, too.

I know, I'm being deliberately over-optimistic and snarky. In reality, I'm just not answering the damn door.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

Realistically I wouldn't even do that, don't quote Scriptures at all because your just implicating yourself for grounds of apostasy in their minds.

And at that point, I'd speak with Unitarian Universalists and Freethinkers groups instead. I believe getting caught doing so today would incriminate me as well. And I'd tell them what happened.

"Yes, I got officially, bureaucratically shunned for pointing out scripture to them. Funny, right?"

Maybe even the newspaper. "AREA MAN SHUNNED BY CULT AFTER READING SCRIPTURE". Okay, maybe the Onion.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

Express yourself elsewhere!
:0)

Oh yeah. I don't believe in stifling my own expression just to keep them satisfied. The cult is theirs. I've already debated an elder once, wherein he concluded, "At some point, you have to decide there is a god." Brilliant.

My strategy is to play nice, avoid where ever possible, end conversations as gracefully as possible, and bring up Deuteronomy 18:20-22 when pushed.