what if fred franz had never existed?.
those of you who weren’t around in the days when he was the oracle of jwdom or who at least aren’t familiar with the deeper publications he was responsible for probably won’t be able to comprehend the significance of the question.
i believe he influenced jwdom greatly, and the whole feel of jwdom would have been different without him.. during the 60’s, 70’s, & 80’s (not sure about 50’s), he was considered to be almost superhuman by some (a lot?
When backing up a truck, one wrong pivot at just the wrong moment can cause your trailer to go off in exactly the wrong direction. From there, it can get ugly and complicated and entertaining for others to watch, or possibly destructive.
"Let scripture interpret scripture" is such a pivot. The assumption that it is the divine and inerrant Word of God is provably another. Millerites have been backed into the weeds for years.
i still remember that feeling.
thank god it's gone for good.
i used to be part of us witnesses.
@dubstepped, I've considered Eckhart Tolle lately. I'll take the book recommendation myself. :)
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
CORRECTION!
Above, I stated that
2520 / 12 = 1260 / 24 = 210
And that is not correct.
2520 / 12 = 1260 / 6 = 210
There. Fixed it. And even if nobody else is as excited about a bunch of math on an Internet forum about religion, I'm still pretty stoked that I just took out a calculator and showed that those funny Bible numbers all the religious quacks talk about are entirely astrological.
EDIT:
One last thing, I can't resist! Hahaha
2520 * 10 + 720 = 25920 (the length of a Great Solar or Platonic Year)
@Pete Zahut how did I miss that?! Dong Lover's awesome, and I heard in his recent NPR "Fresh Air" interview that he grew up religious, but I must have been out of the truck when he said he was a witness. Interesting.
i still remember that feeling.
thank god it's gone for good.
i used to be part of us witnesses.
That was awesome, Anders. :)
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
Oh, and how many times does 360 go into 2520?
Naturally, it's seven. It's "seven times".
2520 / 360 = 7
2520 = 36 * 70
So, have fun thumping that occult text at people door-to-door. :)
i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.
last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.
is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.
Thank you, scratchme1010. You, I consider an online friend.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
Oh, and immediately before that discussion of precession, Hall wrote about the zodiac in ages past having only 10 signs.
With 12 signs, each sign has 30° as he says in the above quote, but with only 10 signs, each sign has 36°.
1260 = 36 * 7 * 5
1260 = 36 * 35
Now considering what Hall wrote in the above quote about precession, how many times does 360° (the full circle of the zodiac) go into 2160?
2160 / 360 = 6
Hmm. Interesting too is "time and times and half a time." That means 3.5 times, right? Well, how many times does 360° (the full circle of the zodiac) go into 1260?
1260 / 360 = 3.5
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
I mean, it's not as if 72 years wasn't significant. As Manly P. Hall says about precession:
Each year the sun passes entirely around the zodiac and returns to the point from which it started—the vernal equinox—and each year it falls little behind the spot in the zodiacal sign where it crossed the previous year. Each sign of the zodiac consists of thirty degrees, and as the sun loses about one degree every seventy two years, it regresses through one entire constellation (or sign) in approximately 2,160 years, and through the entire zodiac in about ] 25,920 years. (Authorities disagree concerning these figures.) This retrograde motion is called the precession of the equinoxes. This means that in the course of about 25,920 years, which constitute one Great Solar or Platonic Year, each one of the twelve constellations occupies a position at the vernal equinox for nearly 2,160 years, then gives place to the previous sign.
(Hall, The Secret Teachings of the Ages)
I like how 1260 is 2160 with a couple digits transposed, and it's 900 off. That's interesting.
Of course, what I'm getting at here is that the book of Revelation is loaded with astrology. The book of Revelation is where you get 1260 years. The WTS, of course, demonizes astrology, so their doctrine of history is at the very least internally inconsistent.
So basically, even while they discredit things like Ptolemy's Canon, etc., you could apply the very same logic to them.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
70 years = symbolic
