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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

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  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  I am going through a course that includes an introduction to programing language and one thing I had to learn was to convert numbers from decimal our normal metric system to binary code, to octal, to hexadecimal. and they are all a way of keeping track but they do not convert evenly at all base 10 base 2,8, and 16.
  

  Terrific! I'm a hobbyist programmer as well. Yeah, we use a base 10 system today, the Babylonians used base 60, and the Hebrews apparently used a kind of base 10 system with other characters for 10s and 100s.

  So what if possibly some scribe somewhere along the way just didn't convert his numbers correctly, when he was translating these fables.
  

  Dunno. For sure, there were previous characters and actual kings who were attributed or had attributed to themselves very long lives. There certainly are entire doctrines built around scribal errors.

  My contention is that to attempt to calculate "the real lifetimes" from those listed in Genesis is to mistake these characters for historical people. That goes for dividing them by 10 or 12 as well. Human beings are not 6000 years old or borne of a golem spell, and Genesis is myth rather than history.
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  Scientology Superbowl Ad

  by azor in

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  simply disgusted with that double standard by our system at times.

  cutting ads that question trumps bigoted wall, yet allowing a cult ad in.

  wtf..

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  Imagine one day, you flip through the channels, and Fox News has an ad for JWorg...

  ...Followed immediately by a report about JW child abuse.
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  Scientology Superbowl Ad

  by azor in

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  simply disgusted with that double standard by our system at times.

  cutting ads that question trumps bigoted wall, yet allowing a cult ad in.

  wtf..

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  Money talks.
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  "would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  no doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.

  "if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".

  the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.

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  They cannot justify the claim that they are somehow special or different from any other religion. Call them a cult, they'll say every other religion is a cult too, and then you're like, "Yeah *shrug*".
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  Which Religions Forbid Outside Research?

  by AnonVet in

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  my definition of a cult is just this:if you are not allowed to research outside of your religion's published sources, you are in a cult.what other religions (cults) are there that absolutely forbid outside research on threat of punishment / shunning?

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  I agree, slimboyfat.
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  Which Religions Forbid Outside Research?

  by AnonVet in

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  my definition of a cult is just this:if you are not allowed to research outside of your religion's published sources, you are in a cult.what other religions (cults) are there that absolutely forbid outside research on threat of punishment / shunning?

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  That goes for a lot of things, political cults and abusive relationships as well. The idea is to create an echo chamber of circular reasoning that isn't painlessly escapable.
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  You're assuming that the information about a) Adam and b) how long he lived for, is accurate.
  

  No, that is what a literalist does. Adam isn't a historical person who lived at all. Instead, you have a metaphor for all of mankind, and that's Adam. His lifetime reduces to 12 and then 3, which is interesting happenstance relating to a few weird things and nothing more.

  Any actual evidence?
  

  Of occultist ideas in the Bible? Have you read Revelation?

  Right - so basically this is all a guess.
  

  More of an inference, and I'm not dogmatic about it. I can't tell, are you upset? Because this is not the subject to get bent out of shape over.
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  If the RNWT is revised again...................

  by The Searcher in

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  ..................then proverbs 3:5 could read thus: "trust in the governing body with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding.

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  's have already reached this point!.

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  When I explained to my friends how science contradicts the idea of a global flood in 2370 BCE, my best friend said, "And why are you leaning on your own understanding?"
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Go for it.

  But undeniable evidence please. No interpretations.

  Numerology did not start after the compilation of Genesis from its 4 sources. Genesis is much more recent than the ancient doctrines and symbolism in Egypt, which influenced the culture that produced Genesis. Certain numbers in Egypt were special because of what they represent and where they are found. Link.

  With numbers like 969 and 777, and with Adam's lifetime reducing to 12, yeah, I'm gonna take a stab and say there was symbolism at work.
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  I simply can't seen the attraction. Imagine people intrepreting the craters on the moon. Endlessly debating about different crater's widths and shapes, and coming up with different interpretations of what they mean.
  

  Here's the relevant difference between this and that: I can absolutely show a relationship between old occult stuff and the scripture that people cling to under the impression that it is saccharine, divine, and literally true. (Ezekiel 1, for starters.)

  I can't show a relationship between the Bible and moon crater divination. *shrugs*