Posts by schnell

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

Oh, and immediately before that discussion of precession, Hall wrote about the zodiac in ages past having only 10 signs.

With 12 signs, each sign has 30° as he says in the above quote, but with only 10 signs, each sign has 36°.

1260 = 36 * 7 * 5

1260 = 36 * 35

Now considering what Hall wrote in the above quote about precession, how many times does 360° (the full circle of the zodiac) go into 2160?

2160 / 360 = 6

Hmm. Interesting too is "time and times and half a time." That means 3.5 times, right? Well, how many times does 360° (the full circle of the zodiac) go into 1260?

1260 / 360 = 3.5

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

I mean, it's not as if 72 years wasn't significant. As Manly P. Hall says about precession:

Each year the sun passes entirely around the zodiac and returns to the point from which it started—the vernal equinox—and each year it falls little behind the spot in the zodiacal sign where it crossed the previous year. Each sign of the zodiac consists of thirty degrees, and as the sun loses about one degree every seventy two years, it regresses through one entire constellation (or sign) in approximately 2,160 years, and through the entire zodiac in about ] 25,920 years. (Authorities disagree concerning these figures.) This retrograde motion is called the precession of the equinoxes. This means that in the course of about 25,920 years, which constitute one Great Solar or Platonic Year, each one of the twelve constellations occupies a position at the vernal equinox for nearly 2,160 years, then gives place to the previous sign.
(Hall, The Secret Teachings of the Ages)

I like how 1260 is 2160 with a couple digits transposed, and it's 900 off. That's interesting.

Of course, what I'm getting at here is that the book of Revelation is loaded with astrology. The book of Revelation is where you get 1260 years. The WTS, of course, demonizes astrology, so their doctrine of history is at the very least internally inconsistent.

So basically, even while they discredit things like Ptolemy's Canon, etc., you could apply the very same logic to them.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

70 years = symbolic

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

Which fact?

Oh, I don't know, the one you're arguing about, possibly?

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

It is a relatively recent idea that 2520 years after a temple somewhere in the world got destroyed, something/anything would happen in the spirit realm. It is that idea that creates the interest a party has in that 2520 years terminating in 1914 or in 1933/4.

Why would this god wait 2520 years to do anything? Why would anything like this take that long, and that specific amount of time? I don't know, because the church wants money, that's why.

I could play with the numbers a little. Maybe that'll bring up something interesting.

2 + 5 + 2 + 0 = 9

1 + 2 + 6 + 0 = 9

1 + 4 + 4 = 9

1260 * 2 = 2520

2520 / 12 = 1260 / 24 = 210 (Note that 2520 is a multiple of 12, because of course it is.)

1260 / 12 = 105

12 * 100 = 1200

12 * 5 = 60 (Yes, yes, Babylonian math was base-60 and 1260 is 12*100 + 60. At this point I'm messing around.)

2520 = 12*5*21*2

2520 = 2*3*4*5*7*3

2520 = 3*4*5*6*7 (Of course, 1260 = 2*3*5*6*7)

1260 = 35 * 36

36 * 2 = 72

36 * 2 * 2 = 144

Anyway. Carry on.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

schnell

Some people live in a construct where fact is subjective and logical deduction is washed away like grease on Teflon with one simple card: "You weren't there."

These people have already bought the premise of their party's circular reasoning, and they feel they have an interest in their party being right.

Everyone else gets to deal with it.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

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i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

However, I'd like to ask you, do you feel that there are unfinished business between you and them? I ask because on one hand you are not answering the door, but on the other you are mentioning things you'd like to tell them.
I know that as we build confidence and a life outside the WT we become less and less interested in whatever they have to say, so I guess I'm asking where do you feel you are in relationship to them as of now? I think that matters since the degree of attachment (or detachment) does affect your reaction to them.

In relation to them, I feel that I've outgrown them and seen them for what they are. Rationally, I know they'll continue on. I'd prefer to be left alone and for them to go away, and failing the former, I'd love a conversation with someone rational and curious who'll listen but I won't proactively seek it out in person. In all probability, I know it won't happen. They all seem tied up in the cult.

At the same time, I lost all my friends I had for years. So many nights out, so many battle scars, so many drunken adventures, and now that we're all married off, I'm cast out because I pointed out the cult. I bring up that we are married off, because newly wed JW men can get downright obnoxious with zeal. Suddenly, everyone wants to reach out and be an elder. I can remember conversations we had before they were married when these same friends expressed hesitance and reluctance at reaching out. Now they're all zealous, and at possibly the most academically anorexic period in Watchtower history. Way to go, gents.

A loss is a loss. If I opened my mouth to talk about the weather, they probably wouldn't listen to me now. Naturally, I'm trying to fill that void in other areas (online, at work, etc.). Is that unfinished business? Oh, it's just a set-up for a future adventure, whatever that may be.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

Well, it wasn't JWs. Phew.

I stepped out for my Saturday afternoon walk, and this fell at my feet.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

In all seriousness, if the elders cared about my family or our associating with one another as family, they wouldn't have disfellowshipped my brother after he gave his wife the divorce and then baptized her in the midst of that divorce when nobody else was up for baptism.

They literally put their precious numbers ahead of my family. So, yeah, even on a personal note, fuck them.

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I think the CO just knocked on my door.

by schnell in

i can't be too sure, because i didn't answer, but my mother had called me this morning and said this week is our co visit.. it's been a while since i last had elders at my door.

last time that happened, i posted about it, so it was only a few months.. i really don't want to talk with them.

is there a chance i'll be announced as "no longer one of..." after he's left if i don't?.

schnell

But hey, the upshot of calling us brothers and sisters is to replace family members who leave the Borg. I'd tell the groups that, too.

I know, I'm being deliberately over-optimistic and snarky. In reality, I'm just not answering the damn door.