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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

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  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  You're assuming that the information about a) Adam and b) how long he lived for, is accurate.
  

  No, that is what a literalist does. Adam isn't a historical person who lived at all. Instead, you have a metaphor for all of mankind, and that's Adam. His lifetime reduces to 12 and then 3, which is interesting happenstance relating to a few weird things and nothing more.

  Any actual evidence?
  

  Of occultist ideas in the Bible? Have you read Revelation?

  Right - so basically this is all a guess.
  

  More of an inference, and I'm not dogmatic about it. I can't tell, are you upset? Because this is not the subject to get bent out of shape over.
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  If the RNWT is revised again...................

  by The Searcher in

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  ..................then proverbs 3:5 could read thus: "trust in the governing body with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding.

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  's have already reached this point!.

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  When I explained to my friends how science contradicts the idea of a global flood in 2370 BCE, my best friend said, "And why are you leaning on your own understanding?"
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Go for it.

  But undeniable evidence please. No interpretations.

  Numerology did not start after the compilation of Genesis from its 4 sources. Genesis is much more recent than the ancient doctrines and symbolism in Egypt, which influenced the culture that produced Genesis. Certain numbers in Egypt were special because of what they represent and where they are found. Link.

  With numbers like 969 and 777, and with Adam's lifetime reducing to 12, yeah, I'm gonna take a stab and say there was symbolism at work.
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  I simply can't seen the attraction. Imagine people intrepreting the craters on the moon. Endlessly debating about different crater's widths and shapes, and coming up with different interpretations of what they mean.
  

  Here's the relevant difference between this and that: I can absolutely show a relationship between old occult stuff and the scripture that people cling to under the impression that it is saccharine, divine, and literally true. (Ezekiel 1, for starters.)

  I can't show a relationship between the Bible and moon crater divination. *shrugs*
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Why even think that there is something in 'numbers' in the Bible?
  

  Easy. The Bible is not history. It's myth. That it isn't literal history is perfectly spelled out by critically reading it as literal history. So we're free to compare other mythologies and symbols and see what happens, but those comparisons are also myth. They mean nothing more than what you attribute to them. As smiddy said, these numbers go on throughout the entirety of the Bible, and I will add that Revelation is a straight up Qabbalist text. *shrug*

  And what happened to the 7,000 years for a creative day that was JW doctrine in the 60`s-80`s ?
  

  I'd like to say that science happened, but it's just as likely that they moved onto other things and just kind of forgot.

  Can I have what you're smoking?
  

  Never have, but smoke if ya got em. :)
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  @smiddy, I wouldn't bet on it. ;P
  
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  @Listener, the tetragrammaton is yod-he-va-he, or 10-5-6-5. This reduces to 8. But do you ever notice that it looks like a little man if you wrote it vertically? The yod is the head, he is the arms, va is the torso, and the last he is the legs. It's silly and childish, but it's a simple metaphor hidden in plain sight.

  And, eh, 666 reduces to 9. Also, Nero.

  
  
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Anyway, I suppose numerology is a lot of fun, until someone is silly enough to take it too seriously.
  

  Oh, sure. I do find things like that interesting enough, and I absolutely feel that Qabbalah is a bit more revealing about scripture than, say, a literal interpretation.

  Regarding the numerals:

  
  
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  Cyprus JW's Military Service

  by snare&racket in

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  i work with a nurse who served for 2 years in the army of cyprus as is compulsory in that country.

  i happened to ask about jw's and their consequential punishment for not doing it.

  he laughed and stated that since 2009 they have to do it and that he personally knew several that 'served.

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  How long has this been going on, also? When did he serve?
  
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  @OUTLAW, I've said it before but I find this interesting: 1914 was a Year of the Tiger on the Chinese calendar. So were 1926 ("Well, that didn't happen..."), 1974 ("Stay alive till '75!"), 1986 ("Peace and security!"), and 2010 ("Overlapping generations.... oh..."). 607 BCE, too.

  So maybe something interesting will happen in Watchtowerland in 2022. Maybe. Not enough emphasis can be placed on the word maybe.

  CORRECTION:

  Finally, here is the sequence of these lifetimes: 930, 912, 905, 910, 895, 962, 365, 777, and 950. These reduce to 3, 3, 5, 1, 4, 8, 5, 3, and 5. These numbers add up to 37. 37 reduces to 10. Completion.
  

  I somehow missed Methuselah's lifetime in this sequence. Since 969 reduces to 6, 10 + 6 = 16, which reduces to 7. Which is Perfection, but it's not as climactic as the 10 I had concluded with. Oh well, that is the result. 7.