Well, the first scenario doesn't actually require cooperation in fact even just an anonymous report which for some reason people here feel is terrible would do the same thing. Scenario 2 would again be hearsay, a witness can only describe what they know first hand and not based on someone else's report of telling them something. Scenario 3, would be inadmissible in most courts as prior bad acts which are not allowed in court cases.
AbusedandPissed
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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AbusedandPissed
The issue is too. If a child tells the elders that they were molested and the elders do cooperate with the police by saying that the child said, what good is that in court. That isn't evidence, that is hearsay evidence and no court in the western world allows the hearsay testimony.
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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AbusedandPissed
I think that they do. they just looked at it from a neutral fact-finder position and not the hatred that other people have.
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The JW's Got More than what They Bargained For!
by Atlantis intheir research showed them that the two witness rule doesn't always apply.
older publications gave them something to think about!.
the watchtower society encourages jehovah's witnesses to read,examine, and learn from their older publications.examples:--------------------------------------watchtower/1999/10/1/pg.23"one day in about october 1941, while i was witnessing in themarketplace, someone spoke about a witness of jehovah who lived in anearby town.
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AbusedandPissed
Watchtower has actually always said that if someone is a victim of a crime it is not against the prohibition of taking your brother to court to report it.
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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AbusedandPissed
Actually yes they would. They would go and investigate because that is their job. You would say that this person is saying this or that in general terms, you wouldn't give specifics and you wouldn't say that they admit to anything.
If you have a problem with the analogy take it up with the Vermont Supreme Court.
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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AbusedandPissed
Well, it is because in most states the confidentiality says that it stands when it is communicated and handled in the manner of the discipline of that established denomination. That is how the Barry case was determined when it went to the state supreme court. The court asked, what about a client meeting with their lawyer if the lawyer is the partner in a firm and communicates with other people does that lawyer break the privilege? No, it is in the normal duty of their job. Even in the MacFarland case the court again ruled that even if it is seen by a number of people who are authorized to see it in their capacity of a religion and the information is of a spiritual nature that the privilege still exists.
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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!
by StephaneLaliberte inmost jws don't see this as a problem.
they reason that.
just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.
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AbusedandPissed
That is the key thing. You need to get laws to change. Right now there is a legal reasoning behind not reporting. But if you remove that legal basis than that makes it different. The issue is that you cannot remove it from one religion and not alls, and that is where the fight is. You will be going up against all religions including Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims and every other religion that is legally defined as hierarchial not congregational.
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Lloyd’s new book
by jwfacts ini see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.
i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.
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AbusedandPissed
Let's be honest. He is making at least $1572 a month on his patreon account. He is monetizing his Youtube account. His funding accounts for his books raked in tens of thousands of dollars. These are actual facts not making stuff up.
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Lloyd’s new book
by jwfacts ini see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.
i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.
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AbusedandPissed
Actually when Lloyd constantly complains about YouTube not monetizing his videos that makes it clear what he is actually about. Also, the fan base that pays him to make videos and he is now under obligation to make a certain number of videos exclusively for them again that shows what he is about.
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Guardian Newspaper
by Phoebe injust to say, the guardian investigative reporter who is looking into child abuse among jws rang me today as i had completed the form linked to their recent article.. we had a nice chat, she asked me for some details about my particular experience and asked me to spread the word as they are looking for more abuse victims.
her new article will probably come out in 10 days, so look out for it.. if you are in the uk and you are a victim or know of one, this is an opportunity to speak out and you can remain anonymous, as i have done.
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AbusedandPissed
I am in no way saying that your story is not true in any way. I am just looking at the movie Spotlight where the reporters were not so concerned on the fact that the abuse occurred because that wasn't going to be a huge surprise as the priests were human, but that there was a cover-up. Was the reporter looking for more on evidence of a cover-up or was she just looking for a one-off story?