hope you guys can help me find something.
there was a video circulating about three years ago showing a sample judicial meeting, which basically ended up with the other elders slamming the one guy who was trying to be somewhat merciful.
of course the person was df'd.. my husband said at the meeting they actually had a talk saying that now the elders look for any reason not to df, etc.,etc.. i am trying to find that video.
Hope you guys can help me find something. There was a video circulating about three years ago showing a sample judicial meeting, which basically ended up with the other elders slamming the one guy who was trying to be somewhat merciful. Of course the person was df'd.
My husband said at the meeting they actually had a talk saying that now the elders look for any reason NOT to df, etc.,etc.
I am trying to find that video. Any help is appreciated!
i understand that many on this forum are undertaking a slow fade, over months, years even.. can i ask what is the benefit of that instead of a fast fade?.
as i understand it, the elders only have to deal judicially with people who are still active witnesses, known in the community as witnesses, having contact and influence with witnesses etc.
so surely the sooner you stop attending meetings the better.
It very much depends on the elder group. My mom hadn't been to a meeting in over 7 years, had no contact with anyone in the congregation except for family, and kept a very low profile. She was still df'd when someone saw her smoking in a public place.
i have been thinking a lot about the lack of support, judgement and criticism of teenagers in the organisation.
i am dealing with the fallout of these policies with my two adolescents...i found this excellent article this morning which is worth a read for anyone interested in this topic - see the links below but first i also wanted to add my own bugbear, forgive the rant: .
a key factor which isn't mentioned in the article is the 'bad association' rule and it's extended application.
TornInTwo, you are spot on with your assessment. For the last 5 years I have watched the congregation do nothing but push my 16 year old to the door. Even my husband who still believes has been shaken by this. I have focused on making sure she has a relationship with God separate from the org, so that hopefully she can survive this transition.
I am torn between being happy for her that she will be free, but heartbroken at the pain she is being put through.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
Thank you all for the information. I am not focused exclusively on the trinity issues right now. For example, even finding about about "coming to know you" being translated for so long as "taking in knowledge" was disturbing to me. Glad they corrected it, but for so long it was used to say, "see, study the Bible with us!"
Some of these other types of translations might be easier to bring up with my husband. He obviously doesn't believe in the trinity, so he is more likely to "support" those changes. But if I can show him there are other "not honest" translations or adding, it may start to open his mind.
For example, when Saul consults the spirit medium and it said he spoke to Samuel, the gray bible now has Samuel in quote marks "Samuel". Presumably to make it clear he was not really speaking to Samuel. It is fine to explain that interpretation, but not justified to just add quote marks where none are indicated. Things like that.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
Faye, yes, I caught the "other" thing. That was one thing that worried me, at least previously they indicated when they added a word, now they don't even bother.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
Tenacious, are you keeping records of what you find? I hope so, and I hope you will post or publish them when you are ready.
For the record, I don't reach a Trinity conclusion even from other Bible translations. I do feel like there was way more going on between Jesus and God than we have been taught as JWs. It still does not lead me to a trinity that includes the holy spirit as a person at this time. That said, again, I don't care if anyone's interpretation is correct or not, it does not give them the right to change the bible.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
I would assume you have already looked here?
Yes, I have all the info about the addition of Jehovah in the NT. Tetragrammaton.org was great especially. I just want to find what other changes I might not know about, especially since the revision. I don't trust any of it anymore.
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
It's interesting how in the kingdom interlinear they use lots of 'J' references.
(Ooh, I quoted! Did I do it right??)
Yes, I was actually heartbroken when I found out that information. I always had "issues" but still believed in the sincerity and that the org was trying to do the right thing. To take liberties with the Bible is not something I can ever accept. How can you trust anything past that point?
hi, i'm a long-time lurker who is still in due to family.
i'm hoping someone here can help me.. is there anywhere online that i can find a critique of the new bible revision?
one of the things that really got me was when i researched about the new world translation and found how there was no basis for adding jehovah's name in the new testament, and then other areas where they translated to accommodate their interpretation.
Thanks for the responses....(I don't seem to see an option how to respond to a specific post? Or quote a post?) I was hoping to find a one-stop-source - too easy, huh? ;) I will continue digging around here...
Hope you can escape the Org's clutches too.
Unlikely for now... I have an amazing marriage to a wonderful husband. He is half-awake and very moderate...but feels like all the troubles in the org are a test of his faith in Jehovah, and the correct response to show his faith in Jehovah is to "stick it out". Right now, I am able to share more with him than I would if I just bailed altogether.
I come to this site when I need to confirm that I am not crazy, and I am not the only one sitting at meeting thinking WTH while everyone else is nodding. So...thanks!
