Posts by seedy3

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Was the US intended to be a "Christian nation"?

by logansrun in

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jefferson?s ?bible?

the life and selected writings of thomas jefferson.

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An interesting article taken from www.williamedelen.com about presidents and the christian religion, he post a new article ever February on this subject:

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA....Vol 2, p420, 1968 Mortimer J. Adler, editor in chief "Great issues in American Life" quote: "One of the embarrassing problems for the nineteenth century champions of the Christian faith was the fact that not one of the first six presidents of the United States was a Christian. They were Deists."
DEISM...There is no personal God, but only an impersonal force, energy, 'providence' Jesus was nothing more than a nomadic teacher and the bible is nothing but literature and bad literature at that filled with thousands of contradictions and falsehoods.
GEORGE WASHINGTON approved the Treaty of Tripoli. The "Philadelphia Gazette" on June 17, 1797 printed the entire 12 articles of the Treaty with the notice that the Senate and President JOHN ADAMS had approved the Treaty UNANIMOUSLY. Not even one dissenting vote. Article 11 of that printed treaty begins with this statement: "THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION."
GEORGE WASHINGTON "Being no bigot, I am disposed to HUMOR Christian ministers and the church. hoping that their fights will not endanger the peace of society" (Ltr. to Sir Edward Newenham).
JOHN ADAMS..."The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus has made a convenient cover for absurdity. Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths are all trumpery." In the "Jefferson-Adams" Letters they both constantly joke about the stupidity of the Doctrine of the Trinity. "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." Jefferson-Adams Letters
THOMAS JEFFERSON "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools...and the other half hypocrites." (Ltr. to Thomas Whitmore) "Christian creeds and doctrines, the clergy's own fatal inventions, through all the ages has made of Christendom a slaughter house" Notes on Religion, passed in the Assembly of Virginia, 1786
JAMES MADISON Father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights: "During 15 centuries, the legal establishment of Christianity has been on trial. What have been the fruits of this trial? In all places, pride and indolence in the clergy...ignorance and servility in the laity...and in both clergy and laity...superstition, bigotry and persecution." (From his speech to the General Assembly of Virginia, 1785) "A just government instituted to perpetuate liberty does not need the clergy or the church." (From the same speech)
ABRAHAM LINCOLN though not a founding president shared exactly the same views. That most brilliant Pulitzer Prize biography of this giant is Carl Sandburg's "Abraham Lincoln." in which he writes that "Lincoln's views were such as would place him entirely outside of Christianity. Lincoln found Christian dogma and doctrine repugnant." In a letter to the clergy of Washington D.C., he stated: "The bible is not my book..nor Christianity my religion."
A few gems that you might add to your Founding Presidents collection:
EMILE ZOLA "Civilization will thrive when the last stone...from the last church...falls on the head of the last priest."
RALPH WALDO EMERSON "Christian creeds and doctrines are a disease of the intellect."
SUPREME COURT OF WISCONSIN, Weiss vs. District Board, March 18, 1890..."The Source and cause of fights and malignancy, persecution, wars and all evil...is religion. Let it once enter our public schools and they would be destroyed."
Presidents Month is a celebration of Deism. The Deism of the brilliant authors of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. One of the most destructive characteristics of our contemporary world is the deliberate, conscious, falsification and invention of histories to suit an immediate political agenda and purposes. It is impossible to have an honest future until we are first honest about our past.

The entire article can be found here http://www.williamedelen.com/feb012004.html

About him can be found here http://www.williamedelen.com/edelenrecord.html

And all of his articles on many religious subjects can be found here, they are a very interesting read http://www.williamedelen.com/ministries.html

Happy reading
Seedy

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JW perception of Armageddon's Iminence

by FirstInLine in

i am wondering how iminent did armageddon seem when you were jws?

how iminent does the wts feel it is today?.

i recall that for me it seemed that it could happen at any moment.

I remember in the mid 70's how urgent it was suppose to be, if you tink about it they came out with the "Truth" book in 68 so that people cold get streamlined to getting dunked. People were leaving their earthly goods to the WT because their children wouldn't need them when they grew up, because we would already be in the "New System". Often they sold all their goods to go into the full time preaching work, because the time was urgent and in just a couple of years the "New System" would be here and worldly goods would be of no use. I often wonder about the ones that did that, and think about how they are getting along now that they are pennyless and living on welfare or S.S. Because building for a future was nonsence because it would be useless in the "New System". College was stupid, it was nothing more then satanic influence and to go was shameful, it was a waste of time as the education you got would not be of use in the "New System". So now what you have is a bunch of middle aged Dubs, with an average of less the a high school Diploma.

Most Dubs say "The Watchtower never said that 1975 was the end" Well partly true but only partly, they never said it was, but surley they did promote it as the end. I remember sitting around before the Book Study one night and they were talking about President Nixon stating the all famous phrase "We truly have peace and security inour world" when he decided to pull allthe toops out of Vietnam and sign a treaty with the North. It was like WOOOO did you hear him say that, WOW the end is truly near, it has to be very very very soon!!. I remember the talks at the large assemblies and how they pushed the 1975 date to suggest "Look 1975 is approching, we MAY not have much time left!" but don't take that as a prediction, just a suggestion, but give us you earthly belongings so we can do more preaching work to make more people to give us more of their earthly belongings to make more............................ Sheesh what a sham. I'm sure they will be pushing the 2034 date in the future, it only seems logical to have another urgency date to bring in more dupes, but I'm sure they will do the same as 1975 and never really come out and say it directly, just suggest it strongly.

Seedy

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JW's set to waste more paper @ Wallkill NY

by seedy3 in

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check this out pictures of the expansion of the wallkill ny printing plant http://walkerimages.com/photo020.html.

one that i really wonder about and wonder how much they cropped is this one http://walkerimages.com/images02/1-1-04_view_from_new_factory_roof_.jpg.

is that a pyrimid there?????

seedy3

Check this out pictures of the expansion of the Wallkill NY printing plant http://walkerimages.com/photo020.html

One that I really wonder about and wonder how much they cropped is this one http://walkerimages.com/images02/1-1-04_View_From_New_Factory_Roof_.jpg

Is that a pyrimid there????? Hmmmmmmmmm

Seedy

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Do you have a natural talent?

by dustyb in

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i have a natural talent of bullshitting and coming up with ideas off of the top of my head.

ideas that work mind you!

but like my ma said, i can bullshit my way out of a paper bag full of cowpie set on fire =d

seedy3

Does the ability to hold gas until just the right time then let it go and chase everyone out of the room count as a natural talent??

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What kind of pets do you have?

by dustyb in

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i have 2 german shepherds, one white and one black and grey.

also granny has a little yorkie terrier, he's my little buddy.

he'll follow me anywhere.

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I have 4 dogs........... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm being over run by dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P................ 1 local breed called a bonnie dog (extremly smart), and three pure bred Shi Tsu's (2 of them pups)

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Lady Lee or anyone that knows about meds w/anxiety

by SheilaM in

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ladylee: why would a doctor put someone with anxiety on lithium?

no other symptoms just anxiety, guilt (dub stuff ya know) no suicidal thoughts, no depression per se???

?

seedy3

When my wife was diagnosed Bipolar, I did a lot of research on the drugs she was taking, at first she was on Lithium, as well as Haladol, and I forget what the other one was (that was 9 years ago), but the one drug she stayed on for a long time was lithium. It can be used for anxiety, but there are much better drugs for that treatment, Paxil being one of them. You may want to check with your Dr about his full Diagnosis of your condition. If he tells you that he feels you are showing some signs of Bipolar disorder, make sure he sets up an appointment to check your blood level as that is EXTREAMLY important, a little too much and it can be deadly, a little too little and it won't do you any good. Depakote is much better, and last I checked there is a new one out for Bipolar disorder, that is even less toxic.

Seedy

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Spritual safety tip for atheist-avoidance :)

by Phantom Stranger in

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I have looked through a lot of that site, and although I think it has to be a joke, they do not indicate that anywhere, infact, they are trying to shut down a christian mocking site, the andover babtist church. So these idiots must really believe this crap.

Seedy

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F.Y.I. Elder on the Edge

by avengers in

i guess people are waking up.

still "taking the lead" in my congregation with severe .

doubts ?to add to that, this publicity about the child abuse issue .

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I pressed him further and expressed my concern that the "two witness rule"

Well I also think that an unmarried woman should marry her rapist, and clothing with mixed fibers should not be worn, plus we need to wipe out all the Canaanites. friggin idiots

Seedy

P.S. BTW I love that copy of the awake you got there

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I ran across this website

by Heatmiser in

http://www.livingforever.info

i briefly went to a couple of pages.

doesn't mention jehgoober in the pages i clicked on, but it is straight wtbts garbage.

seedy3

this guy has been opening a room on Yahoo chat for a few weeks now and every one of his links go to Watchtower.org. I've enver seen much of anyone in the room though

seedy

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Ethnic Cleansing in the Bible

by seedy3 in

greetings people .

i was havng a discussion the other day with a christian about the bible being the word of god and the subject came up about ethnic cleansing in the bible.

now i know of a few instances of it such as in the case of them taking a city and killing every living thing in the city, but the comment i made was a quote from patty robertson shown below, can anyone tell me what scripture this is based on?

seedy3

Thx folks that helps,

and SS, I agree fully his reasoning is fully stupid, much like many other of his quotes

Seedy