Posts by unsure

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

right. You are asking for a special audience with a possible creator, who appears to rest his case about the evidence of his existence in the indisputable fact of our existence.
Even if you heard a response, it would be considered a miracle, or an one a trillion chance of your synapses firing, connecting in such a way. so:
stick with the knowable.

@waton

I said I was not going to reply to you but I'll bite.

You've already assumed a few things about me in your posts.

Why do you assume I'm only asking for a "special audience with a possible creator"? Where have I said this? I'm asking for any undeniable proof that this Creator seems fit to provide me. Why do you continue to assume things about me?

Putting aside any instances where God spoke directly to someone in the Bible, it is full of supposed accounts of "miracles" and other supposed undeniable "proofs" that occurred right in front of those earnestly seeking a God and even those that were not.

Also, is prayer not a common practice for those that believe in a personal Creator? Is prayer not a personal channel of communication with this Creator? Is prayer not a personal, "special audience" with this Creator?

Do you see how some may think that your posts are a contradiction?

Once again, I personally believe that it is not fruitful (for me) to be replying to each other, but please stop assuming things about me.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

To add to my last post: I do not suffer from Schizophrenia or similar mental illnesses with hallucinations; my heart goes out to those that do. I have been diagnosed with a mental illness that is categorized as an anxiety disorder.

However I can especially appreciate how missfiring neurons can severely alter ones emotions, perceptions and beleifs.

Mental illness can unexpectedly manifest itself in anyone. Even if one does not suffer from mental illness, emotions or feelings alone in a healthy brain can be enough to alter ones perceptions and beleifs. To disregard this would be disingenuous. Emotions, feelings, thoughts and beleifs based on confirmation bias is not proof of a Creator.

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Why are the individuals who make up the Governing Body so deluded

by UnshackleTheChains in

surely these men must see what's going on.

if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.

if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.

unsure

I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are actually deluded and beleive their own teachings. Many of us were deluded at one time too.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

As mentioned in my last post, I do still humbly pray for this irrefutable proof and give God the benefit of the doubt, BUT if I ever do receive it, I hope I do not expect to be able to explain it realizing that it is still nothing but confirmation bias. I hope to be humble enough to remain silent on this PERSONAL irrefutable proof I received. I hope to remain humble enough to realize that this proof would be mine alone and would not stand up to TRUE objectiveness.

I am already clinically diagnosed with mental illness; I take the maximum dose prescribed by the drug manufacturer, so I would always still be doubting if this proof I received is not the result of my missfiring neurons. No, I'm not saying that beleif is a result of mental illness, rather that I PERSONALLY would check myself and hold my own mind up to objective scrutiny and even then I would not be sure.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@Check_Your_Premises

That is the problem though, it shouldn't require a "leap of faith" which is the point of my OP.

However, I am waiting by the phone for the call and this is despite being an ex born-in, babtized Jehovah's Witness and having a greater portion of my life ruined by the Jehovah's Witness cult and their version of the Christian God. I should be running away from any notion of a Christian God. However I am still humbly here earnestly seeking God. I've prayed for a call back. I pray to whomever is out there to reveal themselves to me. I give God (if they are there) the benefit of the doubt that maybe my human understanding is indeed too limited to understand their purpose. I'm envious of those who have received this undeniable proof, and am in awe of their strong faith. I crave a hope. Perhaps all in due time.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@ttdtt

Very well said. You understand what I'm trying to say. I'll hit that like button. I would like to elect you as my official spokesperson on this subject haha. All your posts are much appreciated. Thank you.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@waton

There is no evidence to support what you are saying; it's all in the subjective view of Creationists. If there was, there would be no need of inumerable discussions like this.

There is no undeniable evidence.

Respectfully, what you are saying is just an exact rehash of what countless other Creationists have said before you and undeniably proves nothing.

I believe it is possible that there may be something but it's not based on undeniable evidence (if I'm being intellectually honest with myself), it is based on pure faith and speculation.

I believe you are missing the point of the OP.

We are going in circles here and it's not constructive to keep replying to eachother so I'll stop.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@waton

Ignore that last question as it's not important.

Either way, a personal God who loves and wants our salvation, should not have us "look elsewhere in the traces left in the creation process", to quote you.

As is the point in my OP and in other posters replies, it shouldn't be this difficult if a personal God who cares exists. It should be extremely apparent.

Again, I'm agnostic, but I hope if there is a personal God, they would not fault me for asking for undeniable evidence.

Many who are exponentially better versed on the subject would argue that there is no evidence for a non-personal Creator either.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@waton

Do you believe in a non-personal, non-intervening Creator or a personal God?

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

unsure

@waton

Yes it's a good article because it presents BOTH sides of the argument, that of Dawkins and that of the articles author.

There are many more articles out there that just make the case for him being atheist.

So confusing.

PERSONALLY I think he is best described as agnostic as at some points he seemed undecided.

Howevereven if Einstein was a theist, it does not prove anything.

There are many great minds today, Stephen Hawking for example, who are atheist.

Again, if there was a Creator who cared (which is what I'm talking about in my OP) why is their message so convoluted that we have to look towards earthly mans personal beleifs and appeal to authority. We should not have to look towards anything but the Creator communicating to us in a clear manner directly to us, not through a book or through having to dig out whole lives through a seemingly infinite amount of arguments for and against a Creator.

If I was a father and wanted my children to listen to household rules, I would meet with them face to face and speak with them clearly and specifically within my imperfect, earthly ability, NOT write the rules in a book (these rules being convoluted and open to interpretation) and then disappear from their lives forever which it seems is what this Creator has done, and this supposedly from a perfect being. One could argue justifiably that this Creator did not disappear since they didn't even make their presence known in an undeniable way in the first place.