thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..
So what I've gathered so far is that to believe in the Deity of Jesus, requires pure faith and speculation. However, to be saved from Adamic Sin and have a hope for eternal life, I have to believe in the Deity of Jesus.
Hardly seems fair.
Very depressing and frustrating.
thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..
@Old Navy
To rephrase, what is stopping Zeus from being the creator of this complexity and not Jesus?
thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..
@Old Navy
If you are attributing complexity to a creator, ok, but then what is stopping another religion from being the correct one and yours being wrong?
thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..
Thought I'd start a separate discussion on the subject.
Those who know me know I'm struggling with faith; I want to believe, some days I do but it becomes difficult.
Many believers say there is verifiable proof of Jesus' existence outside of the Bible.
Please post this proof.
when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
@punkofnice
Thank you for that post.
Your acquaintance has it right.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
It does make it difficult to have 100% faith.
At most I can muster 50% faith.
I want to believe but there is so much confirming/debunking that needs to be done that it literally frustrates and depresses me.
I will never have the time and resources and ability to try to confirm or deny each argument for Jesus' existence.
when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
@punkofnice
Just spot read it.
It does make it difficult to have 100% faith.
At most I can muster 50% faith.
I'm like you, I want to believe but there is so much confirming/debunking that needs to be done that it literally frustrates and depresses me.
I will never have the time and resources and ability to try to confirm or deny each argument for Jesus' existence.
strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.
- a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).
- jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.
This is the kind of shit that makes it really hard to have faith.
Unless it was all some sort of metaphor.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
To believers: what evidence outside of the Bible help you have faith that Jesus existed?
when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
No convincing evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible makes it hard for me to have faith in him.
I'll continue to pray to whatever is out there to give me faith if needed.
To believers, what evidence outside of the Bible help you have faith that Jesus existed?
