I read The Poisonwood Bible years ago, and Lori is reading it right now.
Highly recommended by both of us.
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Atlas Shrugged
by purplesofa ini finished reading "atlas shrugged" by ayn rand yesterday.
like reading crisis of conscience it will forever alter the way i look at many many things.. this paragraph is only a small part in this amazing book, if you ever have a chance to read this book, try.
it's about a thousand pages, you can't just skim through.. i just want to share this....... "what is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his original sin?
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Unbaptised publisher son of baptised parents- gay?
by Pineapple inok so my friend is unbaptized publisher living on his own (21).
he is gay and does not want to be a witness anymore.
his parents are jws and very strong.
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If he's not attending meetings than I assume he's not turning in time, so he may have become inactive if he's not reported time for the last six months. I'm not sure if they would announce anything then.
Maybe one of the active elders here may have a comment on that.
It would be kind of funny to hear, "S0-and-So is no longer an inactive publisher!"
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Toti demoted from Spanish Branch over recent Social Security and pensions
by iloowy inthe brother who over many decades had been the top-dog in spain branch of the wt, antonio "toti" rodriguez was demoted as the head of the legal dept.
and has been assigned a desk in the "service dept.
" at ajalvir, (spanish bethel).
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Thanks Iloowy. I'm sending you an email.
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Why I Hate Fredrick Franz so much!
by Witness 007 inimagine you lived thru many, many false prophecies 1879......1914.......1918......1925 {when the other franz's gave up}.......1940's {rutherford said the fascist would start armagedon}..........and then you start you own false prophecy 1975........what is wrong with this man?
he saw the damage this caused....the thousands that left in droves each time!
yet before he goes senile he has one more crack at it, sending maybe 1.5 million brothers apostate??
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Going back to the original post on this thread, it has been stated in the past that Franz was Rutherford's right hand man for quite a few years, and that Rutherford ran his writings past Franz.
If that's the case, it makes his later speculations all the more reprehensible if he was a player in at least some of Rutherford's speculative screwups.
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Atlas Shrugged
by purplesofa ini finished reading "atlas shrugged" by ayn rand yesterday.
like reading crisis of conscience it will forever alter the way i look at many many things.. this paragraph is only a small part in this amazing book, if you ever have a chance to read this book, try.
it's about a thousand pages, you can't just skim through.. i just want to share this....... "what is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his original sin?
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Oops!
The philosophy was Objectivism, which I would guess is just about the opposite of subjectivism!!
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Atlas Shrugged
by purplesofa ini finished reading "atlas shrugged" by ayn rand yesterday.
like reading crisis of conscience it will forever alter the way i look at many many things.. this paragraph is only a small part in this amazing book, if you ever have a chance to read this book, try.
it's about a thousand pages, you can't just skim through.. i just want to share this....... "what is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his original sin?
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I enjoyed Atlas Shrugged a lot.
Rand was probably not a great writer, but she certainly was a fine storyteller, and able to explain her philosophy through an interesting story, which is not always easy. An atheist, a woman and a thinker - she was quite an interesting figure for her time.
I always wondered why this book wasn't made into a film. Maybe now it is, it seems.
It's funny, but when they asked college professors to list the 100 greatest books of the 20th Century at the new millenium, none of Rand's books made the list.
BUT, when they asked people in general what were the greatest books, Rand's Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead (based on Frank Lloyd Wright) were like in the top 10 of every list made!
Her philosophy (subjectivism, I think it's called) still has a lot of followers today and there is an international organization that promotes her ideas and publishes about them. I'm not sure that her personal life was quite as successful and focused as her writing might indicate. I understand she could be quite vindictive to anyone who crossed her. I think Nathanael Branden (?? going from memory here, which is not wise on my part!!) the psychologist and self-help book writer, was one of her followers and ex-lovers, ostracized when he displeased her.
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An Announcement to the Members of this Forum
by Robdar intonight marks the beginning of yom kippur, the "day of atonement.
" it is the time that jews atone for their sins.
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm.
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Enjoy your Yom Kippur.
Not offended here!
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Believing his own theology has got to rank at the top. His sense that he understood the Bible and was being directed by God to interpret Scripture.
He became a believer in his own myth.
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Religulous with Bill MaherÂ…I just saw it
by seven006 ini dont post much at all any more but i had to mention this, i just got back from seeing religulous and cant remember the last time i laughed so hard.
it was great!!!!!!
close-minded religious people should save their money and not go see this movie but instead give your money to the next tv evangelist or street magician you see.
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Hey, Dave, great to hear from you!! And I agree, Top Hat has no idea who you are!
Can't wait to see this movie. Main premise: Christianity, Islam and Judaism = fairy tales for adults.
Formatting on page 2 has gone to shit.
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ALERT FRON BETHEL (this may be it)
by Hiddenwindow ina prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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"Sounds like a subprime prophecy bubble crisis." WAC, that's funny as hell.
A rumor, but an interesting rumor.
Iloowy, thanks for that info from Europe. How are you, by the way? Drop me a note.
The Vow of Poverty aspect is also fascinating. How might that affect this?
A few notes that some may find useful. From what I understand, people with 30 or more years at Bethel were allowed to stay. But imagine some couple with a quarter century or more service there, NO out side prospects, have given up everything to serve, and now are sent off with their only viable choice to Special Pioneer with a poverty-level stipend. The WTS has often encouraged Bethelites to consider Bethel as their "lifetime career." Could that come back and bite them in the ass??
Also, when I did temporary construction work at Bethel, we were remodeling the Standish Hotel. There were non-JW tenants in the building, who had a right to stay there under NYC tenant laws. We were told to treat them with kid gloves, giving them preference for use of the elevators, etc. At one point a plumber cut a water line that was supposed to have been shut off, but wasn't, and you should have seen us scramble to catch the resulting flood before it made its way down through the lower floors to where the non-JW tenants were living!
Also, if this has any semblance of truth in it, what a PR disaster this is for the WTS. The Brooklyn Heights Press has always had it in for Bethel, and would love to run with a scandal like this. If someone did refuse to sign the "leaving papers," and also refused to physically leave, it is probably correct that the WTS could break the assumed "volunteer contract" by disfellowshipping them, but think of the tidal wave of issues that would create.
A couple has given decades of their life volunteering and signing a VoP, and the WTS shows its gratitude by DFing them simply to get them out of Bethel!! And what if this is a couple like Joe and Barbara Anderson, with a ton of incriminating insider info, a couple now disgruntled, DFed and ready to talk to the press??!!
No, it would behoove the WTS to handle this situation, if it does exist, with kid gloves.
I once knew an older couple who were caretakers at the Natick, MA Assembly Hall. They got in such poor health that they could no longer do their duties, and had to leave. I think the WTS helped them out some, but this was a very discouraged couple of JWs being put out to pasture, and non too well taken care of.
This current Bethel situation has got to be pissing some folks off who are being sent off to Special Pioneer. Bethel is full of people, can be a fun place, you have lots of good friends, cool stuff to do and even perhaps interesting work in a neat environment. Special Pioneering is simply field service hell, usually in struggling, rural congregation with lots of problems and very little financial or field service support for Pioneers.I've always thought that Special Pioneering was the most dreadful assignment you could have.
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