Posts by Carmichael

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

Jp,

What false beliefs do I have?

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

While I personally don’t believe in supernatural deities or that the Bible is anything more than the mythos of my people the Jews, I do want to point out the problematic fallacy that was raised jp1692--and that you hear too often from atheists who are just misinformed. Again, I am a humanist myself, but this is absolutely problematic and just not logical.

Too often when atheists argue religion they attribute their belief system to logic but the belief systems of the religious to mental health--i.e., religious people engage in religion because, as jp1692 puts it:

Religion is a delusional person’s conception….humans so stubbornly cling to convoluted, internally incoherent and inherently contradictory narratives about our alleged origins….as George Carlin so eloquently put it: “It’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you!”

But when they talk about their beliefs, too many atheists say that what they believe is aligned with science, logic, and good mental health:

...our modern scientific era have been utterly destroyed and proved false...Even a cursory study of history shows that the vast majority of human conflicts have been caused by false beliefs about god’s.

You cannot disprove religion by attributing motive or adding a label of poor mental health. The truth of the matter is you can only disprove a religious belief by disproving doctrine. There are many people who are very logical, who have very stable and open minds and have no mental health issues who are very religious and history is filled with them. We rub elbows with these stable people every day. By the same argument made by jp1692, this would make their religious beliefs true--and this isn’t right either.

I’m a Jew not because being Jewish is a religion but because I’ve been born into a Jewish lineage. I embrace Jewish custom because so many people over history have attempted to destroy it--and because it is who I am. My identity and customs come from religious practices, true, but as a humanist, I don’t believe in a personal God. The Jewish religion still can’t be bad because it shaped my society. Claiming that “it’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you” is the stuff of anti-semitism in my case.

And I would never claim that for any of my other religious neighbors, not even the Jehovah’s Witnesses I grew up to be. So if you’re going to argue against religion, do me and your fellow humanists a favor. Be logical. Argue smartly.

Being atheist, agnostic or humanist is no proof you have no mental health issues or don't belong in a mental hospital. It doesn't make you immune from becoming unreasonable either.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

You could have at least just stepped on here to say oops or start off, but all I can imagine is you are either ranting or you ran off.

I don't have time for this.

Enjoy the people on this forum. I hope they don't, but I think they might eat you alive, so to speak. I'm leaving because you are good at insulting my integrity and sensibilities.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

Carmichael is the name of where I live. I am not named Carmichael or Michael. Preconceived sexism is another problem you have.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

First off, I am not a boy.

Second, you are not answering my question.

If you fail to answer my question one more time, I am going to assume you are just evading and incapable or incompetent.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

Parker,

No, those points are very general, shared among most Jews, not just Reconstructionists.

Also, why did you not read my post before the one where you posted the video?

If you wanted a rebuttal to your video, why didn't you just read what I had posted before? I touched on the same points, even said the same things:

Take your time to do it, but you will never find any Hebrew text that prophesies about "the Messiah shall do" such and such. It just doesn't occur in the Hebrew Scriptures.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

I had posted all the material the video speaks about and had already given a rebuttal to it before you posted the video.

You read nothing I wrote--NOTHING!

And now I added more, and I bet you read none of that too.

What do you have to say about yourself and your video and your points of view and beliefs now?

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

Parker,

I actually wrote the very same thing, the first point of the video in my post that is right above the video:

The first text to mention the Messiah as a person is post-Biblical, namely the Targums (where the phrase malka meshiḥa is first applied) and later elaborated in the Midrash. Take your time to do it, but you will never find any Hebrew text that prophesies about "the Messiah shall do" such and such. It just doesn't occur in the Hebrew Scriptures.

You obvious didn't read anything I wrote.

That's why your video is funny and silly.

There's your rebuttal. You didn't give me the benefit of reading my own words.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

Parker,

Your video is weird. And funny.

The Jews didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah is because the historical Jesus of Nazareth was nothing like the Gospel Jesus and unlike the Jewish prophets and Moses.

According to the Gospel accounts, most of what Jesus does is in secret, such as his healings and when he raises the dead. He impresses heavily upon others not to tell the public that they know he is the Messiah. And when he is glorified in the Transfiguration he forbids the apostles to tell anyone of the event until he is dead.

According to the Gospel and the Book of Acts, when Jesus is resurrected he does not appear to everyone and anyone to prove he has risen. He appears only to select people, "by the witnesses God has chosen beforehand" claims Acts 10:41.

This Messiah sounds less like the God of the Jews who appeared on Mount Sinai before a nation or who worked wonders by the hands of prophets before believers and unbelievers, Jews and Gentiles, even enemy nations and armies--

--No, Jesus sounds more like Joseph Smith who secretly received golden plates with the Book of Mormon and visions of angels, things no one else ever saw. People had to take what Smith said he had in his possession and what he claimed to have heard from heaven on faith.

This is what Jesus of Nazareth was like. Jesus was all secret. Nobody saw anything. Nobody heard anything. Nobody could say anything. And after he rose, only select people, supposedly chosen by God saw him.

That sounds like the story of the golden plates of the Book of Mormon and the supposed select witnesses, chosen beforehand by God who claim to have seen them before the Angel Moroni supposed took them back from Smith after he finished translating them into English. Do you believe that story too?

The prophets of Israel and especially Moses are said to have performed signs before the nation as a whole. They did not do things in secret. Jesus did his things in secret. How could the Jews have "missed" Jesus as the Messiah? Easy. Jesus kept it a secret like Joseph Smith hid his secrets and then the Mormons started preaching that people had to believe Smith's revelations on faith like Jesus' story.

Jews can't miss a messiah that stayed hidden.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Carmichael

A decent religion needs to be focused on the needs of humanity. Education, good health, food and shelter and a reasonable ethical balance. We lift each other up, we make people accountable, we care for one another if their is a god in this..... He, She and/or IT has never shown up. We humans show up.

Giordano hit the nail on the head. That's what I've been trying to say all this time.

A central teaching of Judaism is Tikkun Olam, the repair or healing of the world is humanistic in nature. It does not rely upon or expect a supernatural influence of any type.

Instead of seeing God as a supernatural influence, most Reconstructionists see God as the humanistic influences in the world today that strive for justice, peace, and practical care. Messianic hopes are classically seen to be fulfilled humanistically, not supernaturally as they are by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Park this BS some where else...

I thought this forum was open to ideas, unlike under the religious sphere of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Governing Body acts the same way, telling people the exact same thing about ideas. We learn intolerance we practice.