Posts by Chook

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

Chook

Imagine a court of law where they chose judges from window cleaners and painters, well that is where the lord is looking to recruit the wise men who have a predisposition against facial hair, tight pants and not enough publishing hours. Then they tell the poor person they need to know if they orgasmed during that sinful touch or you didn't scream when that man had a knife to your throat while he was raping you. So now our divine direction has revealed to us you won't burn in hell, you will only be in Gehenna w because of our decision is binding with god.

Then they reveal that they are the future princes of the earth. I can I live there please

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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

this book has been recommended to me a few times.

is it worth reading?.

how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

Chook

Just like when the mediaeval priests didn't allow the parishioners to read the Bible this is the modern version of that with the governing body mot wanting the publisher to read crisis of conscience . Power is knowledge. When most JWs think the men in Brooklyn are guided by God but in reality it's a democratic process which they need to get 66% vote

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

Chook

The Jw elders would be better suited to judge in an era that they drowned witches. The whole Jw judicial system is about connections, the only way to survive is to be in the know. Just like in elders book page 38 para 19 an elder can commit immorality and still keep job as elder, they sit on a judgement throne that doesn't apply to them.

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Appealing a DF decision

by HereIgo in

i always found it interesting that one could appeal a disfellowshipping....if jehovah doesn't make mistakes, then there wouldnt be a need to "appeal" anything to begin with right?.

Chook

Any court that allows an appeal yet won't allow a recording is called a kangaroo court. If Ray Franz and his well written appeal failed what hope has a teenager got.

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Final Rejection

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i have just returned from visiting friends and family.

when i was disassociated my parents had contact with me a few months before my dad was diagnosed with cancer.

i was reinstated 20 months after his funeral and then they disfellowshipped me 5 months later as they are convinced i had not changed my life enough to be a jw again.

Chook

Sad sad stories, I'm so lucky I was never born in this family destroying cult. All you have in the end is your mind, protect your mind from this poison. If people can't think for themselves there is nothing you can do to help. I just can't fathom parent child relationships destroyed by a group of men in Brooklyn

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A religion or OCPD?

by Xanthippe in

i came across this paragraph about the causes of ocpd and it occurred to me that jws as a religion do reward ocpd traits.

they insist you adhere to rules and behaviours to the impairment of social and family activities.

perfectionism, strict moral code, lack of generosity.. so does this religion cause this personality disorder or does it recruit people who suffer from it?.

Chook

This religious indoctrination has side affects that some take to the grave. The creation of little judges by a cult is its legacy, for people to willingly submit to this mental torture is astounding.

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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...

by freddo in

jw
friends

well how's it going round your way?

massive increase of interested ones?

did you even know it was supposed to be happening?

Chook

I got a pamphlet in letter box the other day, I didn't even read the content ,I still can't believe I pushed this shit in good neighbor hoods , we actually promoted the destruction of their families .

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Blood fraction?

by Fisherman in

a vampire is taken to the emergency room on a stretcher.

the doctors notice what he is so instead of giving him an iv they show him a cross to subdue him, so he says to them: " i am jw and i don't believe in the cross," so the doctors say to him: "you haven't eaten in a very long time, we need to pump 5 gallons of whole blood into you.

" the reformed vampire then informs them that he refuses the blood on religious grounds.

Chook

Blood fractions, you can have ALL the ingredients but not the water. This post needs a push

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Who has the authority to decern what the bible really teaches?

by TTWSYF in

so i ask because of all the books, mags and testimonies that the wts promotes.

not only the wts, but many other christians attempt to speak about the bible with authority.

how do we measure who is an authority if we don't know that much?.

Chook

I have the authority, to me alone you listen, I think my punt on scripture is as good as any of the Brooklyn seven.

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Advanced Warning I - WT August 2016 "Study" articles re "Reaching Out"

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

the brief outline for this item makes reference to the most recent wt on the subject of "reaching out" (august 2016 - pages 20 - 29) if you are a jehovah's witness and thinking about becoming a ministerial servant or elder, then please consider the following information prior to attending the kh for this week’s wt “study” and the week after.

first - if you hope to become an elder, in the uk you will also become a charitable trustee.

you will not be given any training for this part of your role.

Chook

The liability of elders actions will fall squarely on themselves as head office washes their hands. Head offices advice is always about their own protection, just like the bullshit when they say every baptised member is a minister, literally dozens of times in court they have tried to distance themselves from even MS actions. Litigation will bury the WT, I know because look at the quality of their representation at ARC. In courts it all boils down to the quality of lawyers, ask OJ Simpson.