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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Diogenesister, I sent you a message.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

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  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Hi folks. I've been away for a day or two, and I never did get it straight which one of you thinks "Watchtower got it right". Would the resident non-Watchtower advocate please give me a brief summary? I know from Eric Michael Wilson's book that Watchtower made a huge disaster out of Babylon's history. Please give me a little guidance on what the battle is about. I want to be sure to cheer for whomever is against Watchtower.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  There is a thread on this forum from ten years ago that covers much of the same information here presented. Here is the title of that thread.

  A JW apologist writes about VAT 4956
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  -From page 127 of Eric Michael Wilson's book:

  "Exactly how accurate is the timing of planatary orbits? They are so accurate and so predictable that scientists have been able to create algorithms which will allow us to know exactly where each planet in the solar system was at any time in recorded history. In fact, there is an excellent app that you can download and run on your smartphone or tablet called SkySafari 6 Plus, which is available on the web or from the Apple and Android stores. With it, you can see precisely where a particular planet described on VAT 4956 was in the sky on a given date to see if the positions match. If they match, then the data on VAT 4956 are proven to be accurate .

  "I would recommend you download it yourself so you can do your own research. Make sure you get the Plus version of the app as the cheaper version does not allow calculations for years before Christ."
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  From page 130 of Eric Michael Wilson's book, we read:

  "According to the translation of the VAT 4956 tablet, during Year 37, Month 1 of Nebuchnezzar, King of Babylon, Saturn was in front of the Swallow. The Swallow is the region of the night sky we now call Pisces. The night sky is divided into 12 regions. Saturn passes through all of them on its 29.4 year-long orbit.

  "That means that Saturn takes 2.42 years to move through each of the 12 constellations. Once Saturn moves out of Pisces, it will not return there for another 27 years. According to Babylonian astronomers, Saturn was in Pisces in Nebuchadnrzzar's 37th year which astrologists set at 568 BCE.

  "Running our SkySafari Plus program and setting the time and date to Friday, April 22, 568 BC, 1:00 AM, location: Baghdad, we get an image showing the planet Saturn within the Pisces (Fish) constellation (Figure 16)."
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  I'll step in just for a moment. Eric Michael Wilson's book has a heading "A Humble Sister Uncovers the Lie of 607 BCE, page 120 of "Shutting the Door to the Kingdom of God, How Watchtower Stole Salvation from Jehovah's Witnesses". Page 122 has the heading "The Record of Kings: The 20 Years that Never Existed".
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  Punkofnice, I agree. Watchtower stole our lives from us. It was a criminal act. I did eventually go to college. I got a paralegal degree. But no one would hire me as a paralegal, because I was too old. This is what some of the younger ones, who woke up while still young and strong, don't understand. Watchtower stole not only those early adult years... when we were full of life, dreams, and energy, ... but it also doomed us to live out our later years eeking out a living.

  When a person, through a travesty of justice, is wrongly convicted and later found innocent, in the US, that person can sue the government and receive monetary compensation. The government can't give them those years of life back, but they at least give them $money$ as compensation,... sometimes $50,000 or more,... for the wrong that the government did to them. Watchtower doesn't even give an apology.
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  Well, I look exactly like my avatar, so I doubt there's much romance in my future. ROFL.
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  Elder Doofus????

  by Gojira_101 in

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  i would like to share an experience from my younger days, which now as i sit here i can't believe it's almost been 10 years now since this happened.

  it still feels like it was yesterday.. so my family and i moved out of our old hall and wanted to start new because of the crap we all went through in the old hall.

  this is a link of my story ne posted for me http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/244665/1/one-experience-in-our-old-kingdom-hall-that-still-haunts-me .

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  Lamallcool, are you still around? I need help with making a video in sign language. I want to interpret from a Ray Franz video.
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  I see from your avatar that you are a male person, so forgive me for the analogy that I'm about to make. I'm female. After Watchtower assisted my (now ex) husband in extricating himself from our marriage, I read a book written by a woman (not an exjw) who had had to flee an abusive husband. I can't even find the quote online now, because the book is so old. But she said something that resonated with me. (I'll try to get the gist right.) She said, "I know that I can love again, but I can never love with the same energy again." Shattered Dreams: An Abused Wife's Escape to Freedom Paperback – May 1, 1998 by Susan Stewart (Author)

  It's great that we are free of Watchtower, but the youth, energy, hopes, and dreams that they stole from us, they have no way of replacing even if they were sorry,... which they aren't.