Thank you, punkofnice. It makes my day to return to the comment I posted last night and find your comment... and that you'd read my story. Only, I beg you,.. I"m not "Viny". "Viny" is the man who once sold me a computer. I'm Vintage, and I'm female. Can't you tell by my avatar? It looks exactly like me. I could use it as my passport photo.
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WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....
by BoogerMan in.......you will experience a fate worse than death!
you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.
you've got one month to change your mind.
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WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....
by BoogerMan in.......you will experience a fate worse than death!
you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.
you've got one month to change your mind.
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About 10 years ago, and before I woke up, I attended my last JW memorial. At one of the last memorials that I attended, the passing of the bread went as usual. As the bread approached me, I took the plate and pased it to the person at my right. Then came the prayer over the wine. As the wine approached me, I waited for it to arrived to me, readying myself to handle it very carefully as I would pass it to the person to my right. Secretly, I always liked being able to smell a whiff of the wine as it passed in front of me. But just as I was about to take the cup of wine from the person sitting to my left, the attendant swooped in and took the cup of wine from the person on my immediate left. He leaned back away from me holding the cup of wine and then handed it to the person who was sitting on my right. I was astonished. I didn't even get to smell the wine. And I felt insulted. What did they think that I was going to do? Grab it and guzzle the whole cup? Also, it is almost certain that a ministerial servant would not take it upon himself to do such a thing. It is most likely that the elders had given him the instruction ahead of time to do this.
I "woke up" about four years ago. A year after I woke up, I partook of the emblems for the first time. Also, I was so glad to learn that I would be a member of the bride of Christ, and would be reunited with my dear Grandmother who had always partaken of the emblems. Also my Grandfather had partaken of the emblems, but he had died when I was a little over a year old. All my life I'd been taught by Watchtower that I would live forever separated from my Grandparents. Especially over the permant loss of my Grandmother, I had cried out to Jehovah. How cruel are Watchtower's teachings!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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From the excerpt of Lloyd's book that LMsA gave us:
"After a stressful two days on the road we were relieved to make it to Croatia on August 30, 2009. Dijana’s parents were delighted to finally have us with them. They had been without their daughter for three years, and I could tell they had missed her."
So, if Dijana went to Croatia and Lloyd followed her there... sigh... i couldn't be more confused... they didn't travel to Croatia together? Or Dijana went to Croatia, then returned to the UK to travel with Lloyd and some belongings, again back to Croatia? And , if so, then "They had been without their daughter for three years" wouldn't fit the narrative. Poetic license?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Diogenesister said,
"l also don't believe for a minute that Dijana has control of the family finances."
I agree. Without knowing either one, I so very agree. People who have never been in such a situation (or who have never cared deeply for a married woman in such a situation) may be astonished when presented with testiony that this happens, but it DOES. A JW wife can be asked, for example, by her husband to sign a check of money he will be giving to another sister, because he doesn't want to cast suspicion on himself, ...and then that wife will SIGN THE CHECK. (Those reading, please have the coutrtesy and good manners not to ridicule what I have said.)
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Without straining my delicate brain too much,... would you say that the self-proclaimed professional activist's haul is down by about half?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I lived through the era before internet,... back when tele-evangelists were the approximate equivalent of youtube stars. They had their ways of soliciting and collecting funds. Of course, JW's never sent them a dime. But still, when one (or several) of them became famously exposed as hopeless adulterers, even their most ardent admirers expected... and got... a tearful, gut wrenching apology from the "fallen Christian". And then, for a few weeks or months there were parishioners "forgiving" the humiliated "pastor". Usually the wronged wife would appear, sing a song, cry, and accept her husband's repentence. If he didn't have to go to jail for some other fraud he had committed, then he was free to continue fleecing the flock, as though nothing had happened. JW's didn't give it much thought or much mention, as we believed ourselves to be "above" all that corruption.
LE brings the whole theatrical "show" closer to home. We thought that even an "EX" jw would have more scruples left over than what we have seen from him.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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And their "advertisment" of their good deeds often leads to trouble for themselves,... being asked for money by people they don't know or barely know, for example.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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So, to prove to a judge that his critics have caused him to loose money, he should next start a survey where he asks, "If the magnificient seven hadn't ctiticized me, how much money would you have sent me?"
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I see that The Downfall was from 2005. How did I miss that? Thanks for the reference. I'll watch it soon.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Borg Off said,
"...until someone puts together a channel as useful as Lloyd Evans channel his will remain one of the best places to go for people who are in the process of waking up."
Why would Lloyd's channel be "one of the best places to go for people who are in the process of waking up"? Sexual immorality, bullying, guilting for donations, ...What is Lloyd's advantage over Watchtower?