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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
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Many who have been disfellowshipped from Watchtower for immorality actually did commit immorality, admitted it, and were sorry for it... but were nevertheless disfellowshipped.
While disfellowshipped, and trying to be re-instated, some have “woken up” to the reality that Watchtower is a cult. Sins should be repented for to God and to the one sinned against, not to the Watchtower-appointed elders. There is much to learn and unlearn while “waking up”. Ray Franz’ second book was called “In Search of Christian Freedom”. I bought and read his book. Christian freedom doesn’t mean living with no morals. Those who live with no morals are slaves of sin. I believe that Lloyd’s followers have been duped... first by Watchtower, and now by Lloyd.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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I woke up because I realized that WTS is morally bankrupt.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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When a wife loyally and knowingly supports her husband in doing something wrong, that misplaced support will eventually catch up with her and cost her dearly. Abigail (in the old testament) protected her household from the harm that her foolish husband, Nabal, would have caused. Wives shouldn’t support their husbands in wrongdoing.
1 Samuel 25:2, 3, 17, 25, and 37 says:
“2 Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel. He was a very wealthy man with a thousand goats and three thousand sheep, which he was shearing in Carmel. 3 His name was Nabal, and his wife’s name was Abigail. She was an intelligent and beautiful woman, but her husband, a Calebite, was harsh and evil in his dealings.”
[One of Nabal’s young men informed Nabal’s wife Abigail,]“...17 Now consider carefully what you must do, because disaster looms over our master and all his household. For he is such a scoundrel that nobody can speak to him!”
[Further, Abigail said to David,] “...25 My lord should pay no attention to this scoundrel Nabal, for he lives up to his name: His name means Fool, and folly accompanies him. I, your servant, did not see my lord’s young men whom you sent...”
“37 In the morning when Nabal was sober, his wife told him about these events, and his heart failed within him and he became like a stone. 38 About ten days later, the LORD struck Nabal dead.”
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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Simon said:
“Discussions about whether religion did or didn't invent marriage is off topic. Society invented both.”
Neither religion nor society invented marriage.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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We’ve done what we could to expose a big fraud. We’ve turned this exposé every which way but loose. But, I think we have to admit that we’ve reached the point where, as long as Dijana wants to keep Evans as her husband, there’s nothing more we can do. Those forum members who have been threatened with lawsuits seem to believe that it was an empty threat. The women who Evans solicited apparently got paid and are recovering from having known him briefly. Other than continuing to warn newbies of Evans’ toxicity, I don’t see what more we can do. He probably thinks he has conquered all and will recover his kingdom, but...
Galatians 6:7 and 8 says:
”7 Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return. 8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.”
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
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LMsA said:
”There was also the problem of his wife and he likely was also looking for a place to deposit her and the girls on the mainland whilst he had sex holidays at his island retreat.”
Maybe Evans was planning to get Dijana and his daughters away from the mold?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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You said:
“The religions created marriage not God. Ancient Israel practiced polygamy for centuries along with any number of other civilizations.”
I said:
”Polygamy, as practiced in ancient Israel, was not an open marriage.”
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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NCC, you said:
“...by making a distinction between polygamy and open marriage you are saying that it is perfectly fine for a man to cheat on his wife by marrying another wife.”
In ancient Israel, committing adultery with a neighbor’s wife carried the death penalty for both the man and the woman. Polygamy, as practiced in ancient Israel, was not an open marriage.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
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Leviticus 20:10 says, “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must surely be put to death.”
NCC, polygamy, as practiced by Israel in the Old Testament, was not the same as an “open marriage”.
I quoted Genesis 2:22 because that verse gives the biblical account of God creating the first marriage.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Vintage

Genesis 2:22 says, “22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.” Scripturally, God created marriage. NCC, ancient Israel did practice polygamy. Do you see polygamy, as it was practiced by Israel in the Old Testament, as being an “open marriage”?