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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Slimboyfat, I read Crisis of Conscience online, because it wasn’t available for sale as a hardcopy at the end of 2018. It’s a huge, thick book (for those who haven’t read it) and I probably harmed my eyes reading it in three or four days. And then, amazingly, it became available for sale through Amazon, so I ordered a hardcopy. I was so excited to receive it, and I planned to go back and read certain spots. But, like you, Slimboyfat, I was mortified that a JW might see that I had it. So, I took two sheets of white typing paper and carefully made a book cover to hide the title. My fear was that I might open the door to JWs and they would see the book near my door.

  And then I ordered In Search of Christian Freedom. But, within days of receiving the first book, by the time the second book arrived, I had lost my morbid fear of being discovered with Ray Franz’ books by any JW who might show up. That’s how fast I lost my fear of being disfellowshipped. And I didn’t make a book cover for Ray Franz’ second book. :)

  P. S. JeffT, I think you would do a great job of writing an overview. And you probably have the managerial skills to delegate pieces of the work to others.
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  Slimboyfat, A good proofreader who understands the topic is a valuable asset.

  Diogenesister, actuallly, one of the men had told me about Crisis of Conscience decades before I read it. I think that he had been PIMO for a very long time. He could easily have arranged a eulogy for himself if he’d wanted one. He was a lawyer and had argued before the U.S. Supreme Court for Watchtower long ago. No, I think that having no funeral ceremony was his choice.

  The other man had been imprisoned during WWII for neutrality and was on his second (JW) marriage. So, again, I believe that he had made the choice himself to have no funeral ceremony. Neither men were newbies being pushed around.
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  LMsA, Yes, “so far beyond parody”.

  JeffT, Yes. I made the decision to read Crisis of Conscience at the very end of 2018. I read it voraciously, and immediately ordered In Search of Christian Freedom, beginning of 2019. When I saw in CoC that the Governing Body was a farce, that was all I needed to let go of Watchtower. I still had some misplaced loyalty to Watchtower,... thinking that I shouldn’t speak ill of it. But that soon gave way to anger at all they had stolen from me. After reading those two books, I consciously sought out exjw YouTubes that revealed the doctrinal errors in Watchtower. What I’d needed most was to be freed of the mystique that the GB were righteous men, channeling God’s will to his people. They are pompous impostors. And I was “standing at the exit door” when I searched for my first exjw YouTube.
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  JeffT, I'm up in the wee hours and finding some other rabbit holes of my own. I Googled the names of some "old friends" that I haven't seen in decades. The ones who have died, seem to have mostly died JW's. However, two elderly JW men choose not to have any funeral ceremony. If their wives stayed JW, and the men woke up, (which is what I suspect) that would be the only solution. I realize that this talk of obituaries is off-topic. I'm just so glad I got out of Watchtower, even though my youth and energy is gone. I get to "digest" what happened to me, and to us. Exjws from ten years ago didn't have our internet access. They had to wake up mostly only with Crisis of Conscience.
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  I found this:
  https://www.facebook.com/AAWA.Official.Page
  (AAWA) Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses is a legally incorporated educational organization committed to two key objectives:

  Educating the non-JW world community about harmful policies for which the Watchtower is not currently held accountable. These policies result in the high incidence of child sexual abuse, domestic violence, emotional damage due to extreme shunning of family members, needless deaths due to the banning of certain blood treatments and loss of personal growth and potential by demonizing higher education.

  Assisting those who wish to leave the organization by making it easier for such ones to get the help and support they need.

  AAWA is a charity registered in the UK and in the US
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  You're funny, Listener. You mean like... Evans would be allowed to post a rebuttal in the new literary work being proposed here, but he would have to pay for that privilege? Would he pay per word?
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  Thisismein1972, I've seen that "crazy making" deletion technique before. The only remedy to it that I know of is to repeat a few key words from their previous post, enclosing them in quote marks, and saying...You said, "blah blah..". To that I reply, "blah blah...". But that makes for a very long and tedious conversation. And, when I use it I sound like either a lawyer or a paranoid. But it's the only way to not look like you're shadow boxing.

  Well, either that or else delete ones own posts... which was probably the goal of the sparring partner.
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  Toblerone5, I gave you a "like" for posting such an informative price list. I hope no one thinks we are "liking" the "vile place" described at the link.
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  In the case of my own posts that misteriously disappeared on the YouTube channel where I was a moderator, I had taken a screenshot of my comment when I posted it. It was sometime later that I would return to find, to my dismay, that my comment had disappeared.

  Nevertheless, as I said, Wally could be right.
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  Here's the link to that video, slimboyfat. https://youtu.be/7b6IvHVWBfg

  I saved the link, but I don't remember the page of our Thread where I originally saw it.

  Edit: You were faster than me, "was a new boy".