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  Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  charlie ryde writes:.

  let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.

  mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.

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  Bartolomeo

  @Diogenesister

  you have a like from me :)

  I'll try to clarify my position a little: I'm certainly not here to defend nonsense about WT, like disfellowshipping or preteens baptism or CSA policies. I also don't believe, as someone above ironically implied, that the JWs will be the only ones to be saved. But I believe in Jehovah and in Christ's ransom sacrifice, I believe that divine mercy is something unimaginable, and that after death we will all be resurrected and given a second chance, free from the influences to which we are subjected today. I believe that everyone will be accountable for their misdeeds, individually, subjectively, and in terms of their responsibilities as members of an organization. This is to say that WT's cover-up sins regarding CSA and others will not go unpunished! I was not born into a JW family, I became one on my own initiative because I had seen things that had convinced me of the goodness of this people: above all political and military neutrality. But things have changed over time, the organization I had known over 30 years ago is no longer politically neutral and this worries me a lot...
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  Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  charlie ryde writes:.

  let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.

  mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.

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  Bartolomeo

  as far as I can see I am a PIMO and at the moment I am fine with it, I have no intention of leaving just because certain behavioral models of the GB and the management find me in complete disagreement. But what I've seen both here and on Reddit is that as soon as someone like me tries to defend his belief in God, the Bible or other JW teachings then he gets attacked regardless. This in my opinion is exactly the behavior of a cult, no offence
  
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  When is the time to say the GB were wrong about the jabs?

  by Indoubtbigtime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s now becoming obvious more and more by the day that everyone was wrong about these vaccines being a good thing to take.. when will rank and file realise the governing body were so wrong to push them so hard saying jehovah helped get 99% of special full time servants fully vaccinated?.

  its something we are all afraid to talk about.

  we can’t say the words the governing body were wrong????????.

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  Bartolomeo

  A U-turn on mandatory vaccines would implicitly mean an admission of guilt and responsibility, as well as a total failure from the point of view of alleged divine guidance
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  When is the time to say the GB were wrong about the jabs?

  by Indoubtbigtime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s now becoming obvious more and more by the day that everyone was wrong about these vaccines being a good thing to take.. when will rank and file realise the governing body were so wrong to push them so hard saying jehovah helped get 99% of special full time servants fully vaccinated?.

  its something we are all afraid to talk about.

  we can’t say the words the governing body were wrong????????.

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  Bartolomeo

  @Indoubtbigtime I can't figure out who gave you a dislike! From the beginning of this global social experiment I have been wary of these vaccines and I was sure the GB was making a huge mistake promoting them, the truth is finally coming out
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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  Bartolomeo

  Thanks to keinlezard and Newly Enlightened for yours kindly response!

  Not being an American, I find it quite difficult to understand these modules, however this part on page 6 seems interesting to me:

  
  
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  @Atlantis

  Or you can go here:
  https://www.watchtower.exposed/2023/01/28/watchtower-investments-updated-2023-jan/

  the page https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ which claims to be based on the IRS Report For The Year 2013 EIN 11-1857820 offers only a long list of photographs and images accompanied by descriptions which cannot be verifiable, indeed anyone could accuse of being invented and the figment of the imagination of some detractor.

  I don't think I'm asking something that is difficult to understand:

  where are there official documents that attest to all this?

  where can this famous IRS Report For The Year 2013 EIN 11-1857820 be consulted?
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  Ok, than we can suppose that the WT has a base on Mars
  
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  I don't know how it works in the USA, I realize that the mentality is profoundly different from the one we have here in the EU, but I really can't understand how reasoning like this can be done: "Can you prove that this is NOT the case?"

  In Roman law the defendant must never prove that he is innocent, it is the prosecution that must prove that he is guilty of something, by bringing evidence to support it. This is why I find the request inconceivable:

  Can you prove to us the Watchtower has no relationship or shares with Lockheed Martin?

  Can you prove to us the Watchtower has no relationships or shares with Boeing?

  Can you prove the Watchtower has no relationships or shares with other Military companies, or companies that make weapons?

  It's like asking yourself: Can you prove that WT doesn't have a base on Mars?

  Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to criticize or attack anyone, I just want to understand your approach
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  without official documents in hand all these are simple assumptions not to say inferences, the only documents I found on the net refer to Rand Cam, for all the rest there is nothing that can be consulted/verifiable unfortunately. I asked a few days ago in another thread if it is possible to have documents certifying WT's alleged investments in Pfizer and J&J but no one has answered me yet
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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  Bartolomeo

  The page https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/, however interesting, does not contain links to verifiable official documents, as is possible for the Henrietta investment fund. Is it possible to have more detailed and updated information on the investments that WT has in assets?