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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

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  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  Bartolomeo

  Thanks to keinlezard and Newly Enlightened for yours kindly response!

  Not being an American, I find it quite difficult to understand these modules, however this part on page 6 seems interesting to me:

  
  
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

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  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  @Atlantis

  Or you can go here:
  https://www.watchtower.exposed/2023/01/28/watchtower-investments-updated-2023-jan/

  the page https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ which claims to be based on the IRS Report For The Year 2013 EIN 11-1857820 offers only a long list of photographs and images accompanied by descriptions which cannot be verifiable, indeed anyone could accuse of being invented and the figment of the imagination of some detractor.

  I don't think I'm asking something that is difficult to understand:

  where are there official documents that attest to all this?

  where can this famous IRS Report For The Year 2013 EIN 11-1857820 be consulted?
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  Ok, than we can suppose that the WT has a base on Mars
  
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  I don't know how it works in the USA, I realize that the mentality is profoundly different from the one we have here in the EU, but I really can't understand how reasoning like this can be done: "Can you prove that this is NOT the case?"

  In Roman law the defendant must never prove that he is innocent, it is the prosecution that must prove that he is guilty of something, by bringing evidence to support it. This is why I find the request inconceivable:

  Can you prove to us the Watchtower has no relationship or shares with Lockheed Martin?

  Can you prove to us the Watchtower has no relationships or shares with Boeing?

  Can you prove the Watchtower has no relationships or shares with other Military companies, or companies that make weapons?

  It's like asking yourself: Can you prove that WT doesn't have a base on Mars?

  Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to criticize or attack anyone, I just want to understand your approach
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  Bartolomeo

  without official documents in hand all these are simple assumptions not to say inferences, the only documents I found on the net refer to Rand Cam, for all the rest there is nothing that can be consulted/verifiable unfortunately. I asked a few days ago in another thread if it is possible to have documents certifying WT's alleged investments in Pfizer and J&J but no one has answered me yet
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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  Bartolomeo

  The page https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/, however interesting, does not contain links to verifiable official documents, as is possible for the Henrietta investment fund. Is it possible to have more detailed and updated information on the investments that WT has in assets?
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  King of the North

  by pontoon in

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  i've been out for 13 years.

  just wondering who the society is identifying as the king of the north?.

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  Bartolomeo

  @ Indoubtbigtime
  

  but of course plenty of other countries hate king of the South Syria, Iran and pretty much all the Middle East

  king of of the south in UK and USA and their allies like Japan and NATO countries

  I assure you that many Europeans viscerally hate the USA, the "king of the south" and his hateful way of "exporting democracy"
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  2022-10-04-Documents!

  by Atlantis in

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  2022-10-s-147-announcements and reminders.

  2022-10-04-mandatory reporting training.

  2022-10-04-questions and answers concerning the online course for mandatory reporting.. .

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  Bartolomeo

  dear Atlantis, could you please re-issue the October 18, 2022 Communication with instructions for the elders? is the communication in which the provision on reports of less than 15 minutes posted for the first time in the S-147 December 2020 was reconfirmed. Thanks in advance!
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

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  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  Bartolomeo

  the obvious thing I expect them to say is to blame it on Covid, which might actually make sense up to a point. Too bad they will never admit that they have directly caused deaths by recommending vaccination, they will ignore this and in the future they will wash their hands saying "Some had understood that..."
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  2022 Service Report is Out

  by Bartolomeo in

  1. watchtower
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  warning: this post doesn't belong to me, i took it from reddit and posted it here.

  news.

  +0.4% growth in publishers globally.

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  Bartolomeo

  Warning: this post doesn't belong to me, I took it from Reddit and posted it here

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107t131/2022_service_report_is_out/
  

  News

  • +0.4% growth in publishers globally

  • -1% publisher growth in the USA

  • Memorial attendance at 19,721,672 (-8% from last year and -6% from prepandemic 2019)

  • Total baptized 145,552 (-15% from last year and -52% from prepandemic 2019)

  • Total hours spent in field: 1,501,000,000 (+6% from last year and -28% from 2019)

  • Average Bible Studies: 5,666,996 (-4% from last year and -28% from 2019)

  Also a reminder - the way publishers are counted has changed. Now no time reported is required to be a publisher (elders can decide that someone who claims to have been active in the month can be counted as a publisher without specific time reported). These recent changes themself would have contributed to some "growth" in the annual numbers.

  Edit - some additional interesting points made in the comments:

  • About 400 more emblem partakers than last year (2% growth)

  • It takes 10,300 h for one baptism. For a 10h/month publisher that's... 86 years of preaching. Perhaps double that if you don't count children/born-in baptisms

  • Annual global population growth was 1.1% (vs 0.4% growth of society)

  Edit 2 - some further comparisons to previous years

  Bible Studies:

  • -4% from 2021

  • -41% from 2019

  • -44% from 2016

  Hours

  • +6% from 2021

  • -28% from 2019

  • -24% from 2016

  Baptised

  • -15% from 2021

  • -52% from 2019

  • -45% from 2016

  Memorial attendance

  • -8% from 2021

  • -6% from 2019

  • -2% from 2016

  Memorial partakers

  • +2% from 2021

  • +3% from 2019

  • +17% from 2016

  Avg Publishers

  • +0.41% from 2021

  • +0.52% from 2019

  • +4.7% from 2016

  Some Avg Publisher Country Statistics:

  • USA -1%

  • UK +1%

  • Canada 0%

  • Australia +1%

  • New Zealand +1%

  • South Africa 0%

  • Mexico -1%

  See the stats for yourself here (edit "Borg" out): https://www.jw.borg/en/library/books/2022-Service-Year-Report-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Worldwide/2022-Grand-Totals/

  And country report: https://www.jw.borg/en/library/books/2022-Service-Year-Report-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Worldwide/2022-Country-and-Territory-Reports/