Posts by Clearview

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Do you think any animals will ever reach human intelligence?

by EndofMysteries in

if all life was truly random, then what happened that allowed humans to it's current intelligent state, do you think non humans could and will reach that in the future?

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Clearview

Great video Heaven, thanks for that!

It reminds me of a chocate lab I had growing up. Best, smartest dog I ever had. He used to get ahold of empty plastic soda bottles and chew on them until he made a hole, then drink the little bit of soda that was left. One day I took a bottle he had and had him watch while I screwed the cap off and on a few times, then I gave it back. He immediately put the bottle under his paw and screwed the cap off with his teeth. After that every time he got a bottle he took the cap off to drink the leftover soda.

He also loved fireworks. Whenever I got some around the 4th of July he got really excited. I think he could smell them and knew that smell meant fun lol. He would stand by me while lighting a fuse and as soon as it lit he would run off a little ways before I even moved. Then when it went off he would run around it barking. He knew exactly what they were and (basically) how they worked.

I think a lot of animals are smarter that we give them credit for.

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Anybody's cong. not use trolleys?

by OverlappingGeneralizations in

all this talk about trolley witnessing made me think- our hall has at least two of them, maybe 3. and i have never seen them used.

they just collect dust in the closet.

it's not for lack of somewhere to use them; we have territory spanning several cities, we have plenty of summer fairs/fests, but nobody will take them out.

Clearview

I'm totally out of the JW loop in my area in Montana (yay me!) But I have yet to see a cart in person. I live right in town and am around town in prime locations on a regular basis so I think I should have seen one by now. Maybe they haven't employed that method here yet?

My city is roughly 70,000 people.

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OMG, My 18 Nephews & Nieces Are Such Creative Double Life JWs

by TMS in

to briefly state this: we were hardcore jws, my siblings, my wife and her two sisters.

we have 18 nieces and nephews among us from late 20's to 55. only one is a card-carrying, practicing jw and he's had his problems.. what's hilarious, is that most of the 18 in the next generation would still identify themselves as jws to the rest of the family, but all are leading double lives extraordinaire, doing exactly what they want to do.

most would be honest with me and have been.

Clearview

I used to do the double life thing pretty hard in my late teens and early 20s, its what led to my unintentional fade together with my ex-wife. Plenty of drinking, smoking, weed, (no heroin, no way) I was known as bad association by all the other teenagers/early 20s though lol. In my early through mid teens I just kept waiting to "grow up" and start liking meetings and service and actually wanting to do it. That never happened and well, here I am lol

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not one but four witnesses at my door

by gerry in

having not had a witness knock on my door since i left over 13 years ago i was surprised a few sunday mornings ago to find two young sisters who i had not seen before at my door.

it was not long before their husbands who were witnessing at my neighbors joined the conversation.

the conversation went on for some time so i am keeping the experience as brief as i can.. mind you with all what has been happening lately with the australian royal commission here in australia i had been looking forward to having a discussion with any witness who comes within earshot.

Clearview

That's perfect! You described the shunning video! I wonder what they will think or if they will even put 2 + 2 together when they see it?

Classic example of how their own propaganda can be used against them and how they go along with something they would normally be against because of groupthink.

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Gods' name removed in Silver Sword?

by AmyWatson916 in

does anyone have an explanation about why the silver sword edition of the nwt removed god's name at exodus 34:14?

that verse is now different than the 1984 and 1970 versions of the nwt.

odd for an organization who believes that "god's name is of the utmost importance" as it says on page 195 of the bible teach book..

Clearview

I see, good points. I looked up 1st Co. 13:4 and I see most translations use "envy" and a couple use "jealous".

It just lends more to the fact that the Bible is just a very old book, and its translation and interpretation is up for grabs, and I agree that the WT takes full advantage of that to "puree" as you say, the message to benefit themselves.

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Gods' name removed in Silver Sword?

by AmyWatson916 in

does anyone have an explanation about why the silver sword edition of the nwt removed god's name at exodus 34:14?

that verse is now different than the 1984 and 1970 versions of the nwt.

odd for an organization who believes that "god's name is of the utmost importance" as it says on page 195 of the bible teach book..

Clearview

I'm not sure if it says he is "jealous" in any other part of the bible, but part of their reason for changing the wording could have been to lessen the HUGE contradiction that is: Love does not get jealous, so if god is love, how can he be a jealous god? i think the way they worded it is an attempt to erase that contradiction, probably among other reasons.

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God does not desire any to be destroyed?

by stuckinarut2 in

so if the idea is promoted that god doesn't want anyone to be destroyed, why does he make it so confusing for people to learn about him?.

why are there thousands of differing religions?.

why has "his only true organisation" even taught so many varying doctrines?.

Clearview

Great points! Also, why does the bible say god hardens peoples hearts, like Pharaoh, which ultimately led to his army's, and possibly his own death in the red sea?

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Terrorist attack in Turkey leaves 28 dead

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36658187.

Clearview

Idiots. When are these people gonna realize that were all walking around on the same small rock with a thin layer of air above us and molten magma below, circling a runaway hydrogen fusion nuclear reaction, and travelling alone through a vast expanse at roughly 400,000 mph?

We need to stop fighting over who's Jesus is better and start working together!

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

Clearview

I wonder what my parents would say about this. My parents have always worked hard jobs, like manual labor jobs, and they've never made more than 3-4 thousand a month, let alone $4000 a day! They've had a rough go the last couple of years too because they're getting older and the work they've done all their lives is becoming too hard. No savings, No 401k, no growing to perfection.

I've got some entrepreneurial plans in the works and if I can I'll pay their retirement because they're good people, but just HALF of ONE DAY of fines the WT will be paying would set my parents for a whole month, hell, that's more than I make in a month right now.

I'm not sure how much my parents put in the donation box but I'm guessing one day of fines wipes out AT LEAST 4-5 years of my parents donations.

So there you go, they've put their hard earned money in the box for 4-5 years to pay for watchtower to keep their secrets for ONE MORE DAY!

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The Martian movie "ex JW one of the actors"

by James Mixon in

donald glover raised a jw...

Clearview

I always liked that guy on Community. Didn't know he was exjw. Interesting :)