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Jehovahs Witnesses beleifs and practices are based solely on the bible.....do they still claim that ?

by smiddy in

12 years ago

that was one of the bait and catch arguments that hooked me 53 years ago and i was wondering if they still make that absurd claim .?

that their religion is based on first century chritianity .!.

just a couple of claims that are painfully obviously false :.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

@mp

Im just pointing out that 2000 years is a long time anbd everybody has modifying the text that is part of the bible from the beginning. We will never no the 'correct' or right text because we dont have hte original.

Ah, okay....

instead of helping the runnaway slave O in philemon he tells him to go back. at no stage does he write a letter back or try and tell everyone slavery is wrong and evil.

Aw, don't make me dislike Paul!!!!! I had completely forgotten that story! I just spent 6 minutes and 37 seconds very carefully considering this highly detailed accounting.

A quick glance of cited sources in Wikepedia notes that slaves of the Roman Empire were anywhere from laborers to highly educated and skilled with teaching, accounting and even physician positions. In fairness, I see no evidence of Onesimus' lot in life that pushes towards laborer no physician. Also, I read that in the Roman empire, slaves who ran could not legally work anywhere else in Rome - except for Paul I suppose who was aging when this was written.

Could it have been that Onesimus wanted to return and Paul was trying to help him do so? Could he have left family or loved ones? Heck, do we know anyone that has run from their oppressor only to return for the sole purpose of being reunited with family and friends? Are people who leave their oppressor always free? Was Onesimus really returning against his will?

For me, this passage reads like the president of a firm telling a manager how he WILL be treating another employee within the manager's department.

Hey been thinking about you! I hear you're really developing well around here. (v 1- 7)

You know I can direct you what to do what I'm about to ask, but I'm going to leave you with some dignity. I have this kid.. almost like a kid to me... who was working in your department and had some challenges. I hear you called him useless? He's been working with me and I think he's great... yeah I know he's YOUR employee and I have to let him go... I wanted your consent to use him, but I didn't want your consent to be compulsory... given my position and all. But now with the development and training I gave him, I'm convinced he'll work out for you from now on. By they way, I need for you to treat him like you'd treat me, got it? If there are any problems give them to me and I'll take care of them. I'm SURE you'll take care of this. Btw, dinner at your place on Thursday night? (v 8-22)

OH! and the golf buddies said to say hi. (v 23-25)

Paul sounds like a bully to me! *grin*

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Making the Jehovah's Witnesses OWN THEIR OWN EVIL

by Terry in

12 years ago

drunkards often scape-goat responsibility onto their drinking--as though it were morally defensible to cause accidents or death!.

serial drinking and driving is a plague on highways across the world.

drunkeness has been labeled as a "disease" and it isn't unusual.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

I asked my JW friend.

He emphatically stated that Jesus was on the throne because the caption said it was the earthly organization. Then he reviewed the groupings shown in the picture for my dumb behind.

He's really good at being a Witness of the WTS.

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Jehovahs Witnesses beleifs and practices are based solely on the bible.....do they still claim that ?

by smiddy in

12 years ago

that was one of the bait and catch arguments that hooked me 53 years ago and i was wondering if they still make that absurd claim .?

that their religion is based on first century chritianity .!.

just a couple of claims that are painfully obviously false :.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

@Smiddy

I hear it all the time from my JW friend and this concept presents itself in many of his catch phrases. As a non-jw, his words are like sandpaper across my eardrums.

"the TRUE religion"

"true worship means worship that is based on the scriptures"

"I don't go door to door promoting the organization, I talk about the BIBLE"

Given what I've learned from all of you, the reality of the entrenchment sickens me.

@Ding and @Smiddy

This old light/new light is making a mayhem out of my conversations. In my attempts to show that the "old light" was just as Biblically based as it's antithetical new light, I showed my friend an old publication of nonsense (Millions Now Living Will Never Die) that had an entire index of scriptures supporting the nonsense. The title of the index was "Bible Citations in Substantiation" and this index of scriptures started on page 115 and continued through to page 124! This doesn't seem to matter. All, in it's entirety, is dismissed under the umbrella of "old light."

@mP

Whose perspective are you leveraging?

The Protestants and their truth? (Catholics are basing their doctrines on information we don't accept as a contribution to truth.)

The Catholics and their truth? (Those Protestants are basing their positions on information they've decided not to accept as a contribution to the truth, have rejected and deemed wrong. To arrive at truth, an awareness of the picture between Old and New Testataments should be used as insight.)

How can one prove who is right? Did the Creator Himself discuss this with either group? Don't think so....

Coming outside of denominational variations, consider your statement from the perspective of:

The Jews and their truth (a New Testament? You're kidding me... Our scriptures are 6,000 years old. Christians & Muslims are basing their assumptions on information WE don't accept, have collectively rejected and therefore is WRONG),

And hey, let's throw the Muslims in there (Christians have corrupted the story of the prophet Jesus so the New Testament is therefore hogwash. The prophet Mohommad's accounting was written as he lived and therefore his accounting is most accurate. We'll take the chunks of their scriptures and use the ones we think are accurate.)

Takes ME over to 1 Corinthians 3 where Paul called the wisdom of men folly.

Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, i “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

A person's truth is limited to the scope of the knowledge acquired. The knowledge acquired is only what one has the time and the inclination to put before them. With our inherent biases and inability to go back in time to KNOW, there's absolutely no way one can arrive at truth.

With so many variables at play, I'll be DARNED if I'll base my life on the opinion of one man or even a group of men.

I wish all would get out of their own righteousness, accept ignorance and just try to do the right thing by everyone.

*Edit* Why do I hear Paul McCartney singing "Imagine" in the background of my last sentence? LOL

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Can't get any bibles?

by gold_C in

12 years ago

so according to people in every congregation i've mentionned it to, the slave isn't producing any more bibles.

at first i thought that they were going to release an updated translation, like the updated brochures that were given at the latest convention, but that didn't happen, and everyone from the branch claims that there is "a reason for it", yet they're being extremely secretive.. .

can anyone who's got ties to bethel help me out here?

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

...things like this make me nervous that there's a possibility they might have been right, as they did say they'd stop accepting new members before the system ends.

When was this said?

And are you saying that the failure to produce Bibles could mean that the they are not going to accept new members? Why are they still going door to door?

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damm i miss jwd...this place will always be jwd to me...

by oompa in

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friends

15 years ago

thats all...except that five of my best friends are from jwd...so thats why too............oompa.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

I was a little shook up too Lois. *grin*

Miss ya Oompa....

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Another misleading Watchtower quote and lie!!!

by sosoconfused in

12 years ago

this is funny i mean really.

the article is stating what jehovahs witnesses believe... not what the paper thinks of them.. my wife found this one... this is her first catch that she found herself and she is tickled pink lol.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130701/religion-and-morals/.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

WOW! So the leaders promote the organization to a media outlet and then suggest that the media outlet promoted the sect.

GREAT CATCH!

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I still believe in the paradise earth.

by paul from cleveland in

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friends

12 years ago

i still believe it's coming.

i think if god is real, it has to come.

it only makes sense.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

marking

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My mother continues with these creepy letters

by sosoconfused in

12 years ago

as i continue to post these letters just to let people see what they can expect through a fade, i hope they are not annoying anyone.. if so please let me know and i will no longer post them.

however i think these letters help you to see how cultish and crazy this religion causes people to become:.

evening <name removed>,.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

For whatever it's worth, reading the letters helps me understand the mindsets that many are struggling with.

Should any of my friends leave, I'm seeing that this type of pressure may be a huge weight on their psyches.

This is painful.

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Former Long Time Elder: Why I am still in

by James Jackson in

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friends

12 years ago

a customer on my route with whom i have had some lively debates was his number 1 complaint is that "the witnesses have so many rules".

last month i agreed with on this issue.

he asked why the change, i told him that i have been doing some soul searching.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

James, notions are challenged on this board. Mine have been on a regular basis. Being challenged is how you grow mentally... and sometimes spiritually. Through that, one evolves.

Growing up, some of the JWs I know had the worst morals. One is on Megan's list, another has been in and out of jail, and a third seemed to have a nervous condition for failings she believed she had. Drug and alcohol secrets were rampant. Sometimes - not so secret when it came to alcoholism where their parents were concerned. Megan's list guy was a little older, so I had no close dealings with him, but he was always a little strange. I love them all but steered somewhat clear... until recently.

Then he asked the Big Question: Why are YOU still in?

I paused and said: "Because I have a teenage child at home, I have to instill some core principles in his life so hopefully he does not go crazy in his adult years like child 1 did".

I'm a non and never have been - jw. While I fail to attend church on most Sundays, I'm an avid reader of the scriptures. My child's friends call her "Designated Dxxx" because of the wisdom and morals she walks with that were instilled in her.

Your statement above implies that the only way a child will have morals is if they are raised as JWs. Should I see your statement above as insulting or attacking?

Stick around. It'll sometimes be painful, but you'll grow here, James. You really will....

I have and I appreciate everyone for it.

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Who I really am, my story on YOUTUBE!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

12 years ago

the death of a jw and the birth of me the apostate.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2lwgowdpj8.

a huge thanks to my friend ray publisher (jwstruggle) for posting my video for me.

now that i am no longer held prisoner from the fear of watchtower, i can now help others!.

12 years ago

NeverKnew 12 years ago

Just watched it...

Thatta girl!!!!! Congratulations.

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