Posts by NeverKnew

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"20,000/month being baptized into the organization"

by NeverKnew in

this is something i heard an elder say... .

is this possible?.

how many were baptized in all of 2012?.

NeverKnew

This is something I heard an elder say...

Is this possible?

How many were baptized in all of 2012?

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Paul's rationale...

by NeverKnew in

as a non-jw discussing "the only true" christianity with jws, i brought up romans 14 for obvious reasons.

after reviewing the chapter as a whole and asking appropriate questions, i went back up to verse 11 and sincerely asked, .

"by the way, how are comparative verses like romans 14:11, isaiah 45:23 and phillippians 2:9-11 interpreted in your faith with the same language being attributed to the father in the ot and jesus in the nt?

NeverKnew

The Watchtower argument is more geared towards defeating Modalism, not the Trinity.

Listening to my friends attempt to discredit concepts that they completely misunderstand makes me cringe. I recently got the challenge question ..."if Jesus is God, how could He have been here on Earth?" It appears that leveraging the name "Jehovah" has made "God" an individual unit. My friends don't get that the term "God" is used interchangeably as a noun (Father) and a description of a nature.

Hi, Crazyguy,

Given your writings, you may be able to help me.

It makes sense to me that Jah was the [man] before Jesus, then when Jesus came Jah gave the whole mess to his son.

According to that which you know, when was this power transferred? And how do we make this fit with John 1:1-3?

Let me know... :)

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Can this logic be refuted?

by notsurewheretogo in

i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.

i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!

i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.

NeverKnew

Shouldn't these scenerios be where the WTS savvy non jws could really help?

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Can Anointed Members Be Disfellowshiped?

by Cold Steel in

since the anointed class used to be the faithful and discreet slave, i wondered if and how they can be disciplined through being disfellowshiped?

aren't they given a little more latitude in how they interpret scriptures and in what they say?

do people in kingdom halls who have anointed members defer to them in any way?

NeverKnew

How do I ask this... (I think I'm about to look like an idiot)

So, if a person partakes, is salvation a hit/miss thing? Like, if they shouldn't have, do they then lose salvation in its entirety? or, would they get demoted to the Earthly Paradise on Judgement Day?

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Read it and Weep

by cha ching in

recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

how many people just forget what the wt has said?

well, read it and weep.. .

NeverKnew

Just sickens me...

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Millions now living will never die

by MrFreeze in

yes, rutherford proclaimed in 1918 that "millions now living will never die.

" well it's been 95 years since.

how many 95+ year old people are alive on earth today?

NeverKnew

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Paul's rationale...

by NeverKnew in

as a non-jw discussing "the only true" christianity with jws, i brought up romans 14 for obvious reasons.

after reviewing the chapter as a whole and asking appropriate questions, i went back up to verse 11 and sincerely asked, .

"by the way, how are comparative verses like romans 14:11, isaiah 45:23 and phillippians 2:9-11 interpreted in your faith with the same language being attributed to the father in the ot and jesus in the nt?

NeverKnew

These are just two of many that seem to make a distinction between the two so not a trinity.

Hmm... are you telling me that that's the reasoning? Otherwise, I'm not clear on the statement. The Trinity does not deny a distinction between the Father and Son.

I had a heck of a time in a discussion about the Sodom and Gomorrah story some time ago. In order to explain the story, my jw friends were adamant that the passage meant for me to understand that the "Lord" depicted in the passage was actually "a representative of the Lord." I asked if there was a way to understand this passage without adding this "intended meaning" and was told "of course not!"

Then I asked why God's inspired messenger repeatedly missed opportunities to include that in chapters 18 and 19... The response was because the answer should be obvious since no one has ever seen God.

*sigh* ok

My goal is not to argue the existence or non-existence of a Trinity. When I read the Bible leveraging the Trinitarian lense, the Bible in it's entirety makes sense. Without it, it seems like there are these hanging chads. It's okay to have a perspective that's different. In the interest of understanding the perspective, I just want to know what one does with the chad.

I've gotten used to this site, but I will definitely check out the other site.

Hi, Mr. Freeze! :)

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Classic 1969 footage from the BBC on 1975...

by wizzstick in

found this on you tube:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4as2abu8cm4.

relevant jw bits are from:.

NeverKnew

Insightful...

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My Grandma passed away

by Kool Jo in

jw
friends

good day all:.

while at work a couple days ago, i got a call that my grandma passed away.

she would've been 86 next week, but she still lived her life...so i'm getting emails ect from my home congregation from folks just checking up on me.

NeverKnew

Aw, KoolJo... sorry to hear that!

On the church note... I am REALLY glad you got to experience reality! As for the happiness and warmth? I can assure you, it's genuine. :)

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Paul's rationale...

by NeverKnew in

as a non-jw discussing "the only true" christianity with jws, i brought up romans 14 for obvious reasons.

after reviewing the chapter as a whole and asking appropriate questions, i went back up to verse 11 and sincerely asked, .

"by the way, how are comparative verses like romans 14:11, isaiah 45:23 and phillippians 2:9-11 interpreted in your faith with the same language being attributed to the father in the ot and jesus in the nt?

NeverKnew

Okay, gotta get practice ...

Why does John 1:23 quote Isaiah 40:3 and apply it to what John the Baptizer did in preparing the way for Jesus Christ, when Isaiah 40:3 is clearly discussing preparing the way before Jehovah? Because Jesus represented his Father. He came in his Father’s name and had the assurance that his Father was always with him because he did the things pleasing to his Father.— John 5:43; 8:29 .

Doesn't this infer that the inspired writer of Isaiah got the message wrong and that he should have written that a representative of God would come? Or did God change his mind about coming....

Am I bordering on disrespectful?

InChristAlone, it's good to hear I'm not alone. I get pretty frustrated but Londo and others are pretty good at prepping me. I read that the NWT has blurred the similarities in these verses so I've been careful about that landmine. Thanks for the NWT variation!

OMG Sarah! We almost went to blows over that seizure thing! Now, one friend has read and studied the sentence so seriously he's to the point of being INCAPABLE of absorbing the sentence without the WT lense. WHY'D YOU TAKE ME BACK THERE???? NOW I'M TICKED AGAIN... LOL THEN he said that OTHER TRANSLATIONS use the same word? I asked him WHICH ONE IS THAT????

Another research project I guess....

NewlyEnlightened... Good point!