Joey,
It is true, nothing can convince a super dub that they have been lied to and brainwashed. I have had conversations with JW friends, family etc. about anything ranging from doctrinal flip flops to the ARC and they don't even flinch.
i speak semi-regularly to an old friend of mine who i would describe as a super-dub.. he knows i am inactive but over the years i have peppered him with a lot of questions about the org.
that i hoped would make him at least pause and think somewhat rationally about the reality of being a jw in this brave new- post gb 2.0 world.. we have discussed everything from the generation changes, to the u.n. , failed prophecy, flip flops, the reduction in size of the wt magazine, the closing/ consolidation of bethels including lay-offs, jw broadcasting, cart witnessing- etc, etc.. what do i mean by super-dub?
he is a born-in, has missionary parents, he reg.
Joey,
It is true, nothing can convince a super dub that they have been lied to and brainwashed. I have had conversations with JW friends, family etc. about anything ranging from doctrinal flip flops to the ARC and they don't even flinch.
as a witness i always found a way to not have to embarrass myself by sitting down for the national anthem.. i’m curious.
how many of you stood up for the patriotic song?.
I was always taught to stand merely as a sign of respect. I never sang the words or placed my hand over my heart, though.
i never understood why many jehovah’s witnesses will say “the friends”.
it seems so mormon like..
yes, very common phrase in my area. It was used so often it became watered down and fake sounding. Well, who am I kidding, they are fake "friends" to begin with! 100% conditional love.
if any member of the gb were to turn apostate---and join this site-----who would you like it to be ?
and why ?.
and--least like--and why ?.
Geoffrey Jackson, so I can ask him why he denied his faith during the ARC
if you take the red pill, you'll have knowledge, you'll be awakened, aware of reality, you'll have freedom.. if you take the blue pill, you stay in your bubble, wearing rose colored glasses, and feel security in an illusion.. taking the red pill isn't something that's easy to do.
to accept that everything around you is an illusion built up on lies or half truths.
but hey, it might feel good to be aware and break free from this illusion.
Jules,
I think its normal for Ex JWs to go through this thought process. After all, we were indoctrinated into a cult and brainwashed. In my opinion, those thoughts do fade eventually. I left 6 years ago and the first year was rough, but over time, I no longer had those thoughts. These days, the WT organization 100% no longer have a hold on me. However, every one is different. I personally though, could no longer live a lie, its worse than being shunned in my opinion.
did you have a plan to leave the organization?
i did.
it took a couple of years but we did leave and never had a desire to go back!.
Yes, I basically knew that I would fade by moving across town and ignore phone calls. It could have been done a little cleaner but looking back, it was a clean fade for a 21 year old and I wouldn't change a thing.
i had an elder tell me once i was grieving holy spirit but i’m not sure how this dickhead knew..
I was always told by ignoring scriptural counsel, then one could potentially fall into a course of "sin", thus "grieving the holy spirit." uggh...WT phrases make me cringe.
what is the youngest you have seen someone baptised?
i recall seeing a 9 yo girl baptised..
5 years old! 2001 District convention in San Diego. At the time it was encouraging, now the thought of it makes me cringe.
i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!
it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.
(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.
Hello Brother,
its always nice to have an active Elder on here. Your perspective and insight is valuable. Welcome! we are here to help.
i have heard of this happening before, but how often?
its pretty rare it seems.
i have often wondered if the elders would go this route with me since they knew i was actively sinning, but as far as i know, no jc was ever formed.
Hey Pale, I personally am definitely not too concerned with it as I really don't have anything to lose since my family is shunning me regardless. The amount of control they have over people is interesting for sure though.