Detective,
are you a law officer in any capacity or have you ever been?
Danny,
Yrdirf will tie up a lot of your time with trivial and petty posts. Do as you see fit with that information.
Dave
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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Yadirf,
You talk so big for being one that hides behind his own anonymity. I see you still have a locked email box. If you want to start getting into peoples personal matters why don't you give us all the name of your city and the name of the PO in your local congregation. I'm sure he;d love to read your posts on this board.
Shimmer,
It is not unusual for a Sunday meeting to start that early. In the last congregation I attended the meeting started at eight and many people were there at least a half hour early. When congregations share their hall with other congregations or other language speaking congregations it is very typical to start that early.
The hell comment doesn't surprise me. Most JW's think everyone out side of their religion or those who no longer believe as they do automatically believe in hell. Hell is also a good biblical/cuss word to use when religious people get a little pissed off.
The kids playing and the teens going off into groups, come on, In all my years going to the five congregations I attended this was quite the norm. You must have come from one hell of a strict congregation.
Dave
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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teejay,
Your questions has got me real curious, why are you asking them? Are you trying to make a point?
Just curious,
Dave
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by stevieb1 injust a quick thought - i am a firm believer in freedom of speech etc, but having been on this forum for some time i honestly can't say that i can introduce a doubting jw interested in true christianity to this board.
some of the deep discussions on jw doctrine are excellent, but everything else seems to be nonsense in my opinion.
why can't this site be more like the old www.witnesses.net which seemed to have more spiritual meat rather than backbiting, gossip, and rumour and even obscenity.. sorry for my frank opinion
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<<<You asked: Are you saying that all religions teach good and moral things?
For the most part, certainly. I know few Christians who would say otherwise.
You wrote: If so, why did you choose Christianity? Geographical location? Familiarity with basic concept?
Those things certainly facilitated my conversion. But I refused to believe the Bible was the word of God until a thorough study of science and history convinced me that it was.>>>aChristian,
You are somewhat unique among evangelizing discussion board Christians that I have had the pleasure to know. My intent is not to try and disrupt your faith but only question what I saw as consistencies in some Christians.
I respect your open mindedness on the questions I asked you and the honest way in which you answered them.
I will not challenge the authenticity of your own words but will give you the due respect unless I see contradictions.
Thanks for your reply,
Take care,
Dave
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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Yadirf,
That little decal on you front door certainly does not make you any kind of expert on law enforcement.
You forget who invited who where!Police officers deal with liars and people trying to hide things on a daily basis. When you confront those kinds of people it tends to piss you off. Cops get tired of being lied too and they are as human as anyone else when it happens.
I don't think your observation perch up there on the middle of the fence that you so proudly sit on makes either Danni or Darryl even the slightest bit uneasy. You call them bullies, try getting out of your "inactive" status and attend a few meetings to see some real bullies. Of course being a man in the congregation you probably wouldn't see it that way. The poor little elders got cornered and all flustered, good for them, it's about time they saw what it was like to get interrogated. They can certainly dish it out but they turn into real cowards when it is done back to them. How pathetic!
Check out your own big red nose before you start calling someone else a clown.
Dave
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by stevieb1 injust a quick thought - i am a firm believer in freedom of speech etc, but having been on this forum for some time i honestly can't say that i can introduce a doubting jw interested in true christianity to this board.
some of the deep discussions on jw doctrine are excellent, but everything else seems to be nonsense in my opinion.
why can't this site be more like the old www.witnesses.net which seemed to have more spiritual meat rather than backbiting, gossip, and rumour and even obscenity.. sorry for my frank opinion
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aChristian,
You ended your last paragraph with "I wonder why Jesus would say such a thing, seeing He was "so incredibly influenced by both Hindu and Buddhist religions," as you say."
Would you like to read some things that have brought me to these conclusions? Have you ever read the Upanishads? Have you ever read the story of Buddha or Krishna? If I take the time to post them and give you links so you can read that is more than just "what I say" will you read it?
Here is just a tiny taste of what you can read:
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Volney of France was perhaps the first to propound in the 18th century that "Jesus was a solar myth derived from Krishna' of Hindu mythology." Buddhism existed at least four hundred years before Christianity. Another French theologian, Ernest Havet, did the same in his study of primitive Christianity published in 1884. AHe was followed by Ernest Renan, the famous Catholic theologian from France, who pointed out Buddhist parallels in the parables of Jesus in his Life of Jesus published in 1863.
Max Muller noted "startling coincidences between Buddhism and Christianity in his India - What It Can Teach Us published from England.
A stronger case along the same lines was made by Rudolf Seydel, Professor in the University of Leipzig (Germany), whose first book, The Gospel of Jesus in relation to the Buddha Legend, published in 1882, was followed by a more elaborate one, The Buddha Legend and the Life of Jesus, published in 1897. Finally, J. M. Robertson, a British scholar and a Member of Parliament, revived the Volney thesis in 1900 by stating in his Christianity and Mythology that "the Christ-Myth is merely a form of the Krishna-Myth.
(source: Jesus Christ: An Artifice for Aggression - By Sita Ram Goel p. 53).
In the past, the West and India were immediate neighbors. Before the Islamic civilization came between the two, the empire, which was first Persian, then Greek and later Roman, stretched from the Mediterranean to the Indus. The commercial ties between India and Europe were more direct than they have ever been over the last ten centuries. Indian monks and their disciples lived and taught for several hundred years in the Middle East and founded large monasteries, the traces of which can be seen mainly in Antioch and Alexandria. In the 4th A.D. Saint Jeremy fulminated against the fake prophets from India. But his protest came to late, for the men from India had already left their mark on the Mediterranean mind in search of holiness.
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<<<I do not feel that basic human decency is exclusive to my brand of religion. I feel it is taught and practiced by people in nearly all religions. You really shouldn't make statements which attack the character and beliefs of others unless you know for a fact that those statements are true.>>>
If I am wrong in this then I apologize. Are you saying that all religions teach good and moral things?
If so, why did you choose Christianity? Geographical location? Familiarity with basic concept?
You are right, I do not know you. I based my statements from what I have been reading by the more evangelical christians that post on this board. If you believe differently then again, I apologize.I have one problem and one problem only with certain Christians or for that fact any one form any religion. That is when they go into a public forum of any kind and state that they have the "absolute" right answer in regard to god and life. If you state such things you will hear from me just as others hear from you. It's that simple.
Take care and I am sorry if I offended you.
Dave
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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Yrs2long and California,
I really hate to see this kind of thing. As a young JW man I was very much into the controll/subejction philosophy
and it messed up a lot of my younger years. Handed an open rule book of absolute male superiority goes right to a young guys
head and at the age of 19 you do not have a clue how to treat a wife. I am not making excuses for what someone
did to you but only offering a bit of an explanation.As young men we are not taught how to properly treat a wife. All we know is they are supposed to treat us
like we own them. My ex-wife still holds animosity toward me because of the way I was. It has been many years
since our marriage and I am not even close to the same person I was back then. No amount of apologizing for offering
an explanation will soften her heart. I don't really blame her, I was quite a jerk.Just looking back on what we use to believe is quite the reality check. Looking back on how we use to treat others whom
we were supposed to love is just heart breaking. I hope you two can understand that a little bit. That religion controlled every
aspect of our life and our emotions. I am not only glad to be out of it, I am sad that I was a part of it and ashamed about the way I was.Life goes on.
Take care,
Dave
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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So Danni,
Do you think that your JW friend and you will be lunching again soon? Ten bucks says he's engaged to a nice elders daughter within six mounts and married within seven.
Tell Darryl to wash his mouth out with Jell-O pudding. Cops aren't supposed to cuss, just shoot people. I would have given anything to have been there. I love watching people squirm.
Danni, someday we will meet and I will give you a big hug and buy you a big Kool Aid.
You have become one of my favorite trouble makers! Have you met any Mormons yet?
Big hug officer Danni, you are welcome here any time.
Dave
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by stevieb1 injust a quick thought - i am a firm believer in freedom of speech etc, but having been on this forum for some time i honestly can't say that i can introduce a doubting jw interested in true christianity to this board.
some of the deep discussions on jw doctrine are excellent, but everything else seems to be nonsense in my opinion.
why can't this site be more like the old www.witnesses.net which seemed to have more spiritual meat rather than backbiting, gossip, and rumour and even obscenity.. sorry for my frank opinion
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Stevieb1
I agree with you, this is not a place to send someone who is looking for "true Christianity." Actually I don't know where you could send someone looking for that. There are so many different interpretations of "true Christianity" that it's hard to sift out all the false ones from the true ones. Since your particular interpretation of what is "true" or not will probably contradict the next "Christian" standing in line, it's best that you give anyone interested in your version of "true Christianity" just that, "your version." People tend to believe what they feel comfortable with, not necessarily what is proven or not proven to be true. The actual proof of any religion is irrelevant, as long as long as a person has "faith" in what they choose to "believe."
aChristian,
I see a constant interpretation by Christians as yourself that if a person does not believe in Christianity then they are not considered spiritual in your eyes. You see this board as a spiritual wasteland when in actuality it is quite the opposite. Here is the definition of the word "spiritual":
Main Entry: [1]spir·i·tu·al
Pronunciation: 'spir-i-ch&-w&l, -i-ch&l, -ich-w&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French spirituel, from Late Latin spiritualis, from Latin, of breathing, of wind, from spiritus
Date: 14th century
1 : of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : <man's spiritual needs>
2 a : of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs> b : ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>
3 : concerned with religious values
4 : related or joined in spirit <our spiritual home> <his spiritual heir>
5 a : of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b : of, relating to, or involving spiritualism :As you can see there is not a single word that gives any exclusivity to the word "spiritual" to the Christian religion. There are several people on this board who have studied religion without the side blinders of trying to prove one better or more "true" than the other.
It is exJW's like yourself and Steve that have simply switched teams in the Christian god game and refuse to see any validity in anything outside of your particular game.
If you truly did as your bible tells you to do and look for the truth like it is a hidden treasure you will find it very enlightening to conduct that search with something else besides just the Christian treasure map.The Christian religion is so incredibly influenced by both Hindu and Buddhist religions only a spritual blind man will refuse to see it. It is not exclusive to a few traditions and variations of religious holidays but the very core of the story of Jesus, his teachings and his parables. Those who simply accept the Christian brand of religions as the "only truth" refuse to see this or attempt to investigate it further.
Those on this board who have chosen not to blindly switch teams but rather do a complete search of "spirituality" and religion are in themselves the most spiritual ones here. If they do not wish to choose a particular religious team to join or feel they may still have unanswered questions and desire a little more proof does not mean they are not spiritual people.
Just as "some" Christians like yourself feel that basic human decency is exclusive to your brand of religion the same goes for your claim to spirituality.
Bow your knees to whom ever you choose and if it rocks your boat than so be it. Just don't come off as someone who "knows all" and tells others that you alone own the one and only "truth" about life. We've had it up to our eye balls with exclusivity of spirituality and the one and only "truth."
Take care,
Dave
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Sure you can Alan, Just ask Julie if you can take the paper bag off your head.
Dave