this is a continuation of the "singles" thread i started.
i may have been a bit vague about how to describe ourselves, and introspection suggested a questionaire-type thing, so below are some questions to get us started.
freel free to say how much or how little you want.
Mommy, I had a good reason for deleting my post,
it might be a bit of a lame reason but it was a reason just the same.
You're too late on the cookie thing, I already ate it.
BTW I hope those little squishy brown things in the cookie were raisins,
I think a few of them had little legs.
Thanks again for the cookie.
Dave
to whom it may concern,.
the witnesses are often condemned for refusing blood transfusions and "permitting" their children to die.
such a religious position is untenable, opponents of jws will argue.
Duns buddy,
Remember me, the guy who is still pissed off because you made my popcorn get cold waiting for you to answer Alan's post? BTW, you gave an answer but you failed to answer his questions. That happens a lot around here. You get 2 points for spelling level 4 words correctly.
Now in regard to your comment about Kierkegaards essay on Abraham and Isaac (taken from his drivel entitled "Fear and Trembling") you attempt to mold his comments into a justification for JW's letting their kids die for the glory of god.
I can see where you might be able to twist that concept to fit your point but why bother? Do you think Kierkegaards words carry a lot of weight in the forum? Or are you just banking on your presumption that everyone who comes to this board is just here to pick up chicks and exchange cooking recipes? Believe it or not there are a good majority of people
on this board who are familiar with more advanced writings and concepts then expressed in either Playboy or The Ladies Home Journal.
It's interesting to see you like quoting from your obvious favorite philosopher good old Soren Kierkegaard. That seems ironic considering his thoughts on using objectivity and logic to try and explain the existence of man. In his opinion you have to throw out those two basic elements of thinking to try and understand anything in relation to
Christian belief. It makes sense I guess, throw out objectivity and logic and the Easter Bunny can become a Christian
deity. In relation to Soren's trying to make a point about the Christian philosophy of "shut up and don't ask any questions" it should be noted where his state of mind was at the time he wrote that garbage. He had perviously broken up with his girlfriend Regine and he was trying to justify his stupidity by setting himself up as a martyr. He dumped this lady because she wouldn't buy into to his philosophy that you will never be happy unless you realize you are not meant to be happy (sorry if I use simple terms and words, I'm trying to have my point clearly understood).
Ya see poor old Soren was a product of mental abuse handed down by his devoutly religious farther. Much like himself Soren's daddy suffered from constant bouts with depression. This was from his self destructive psychological problem of believing he was born into sin and could never measure up to anything that would result in the salvation of his own soul.
Soren's dad was a real downer and that resulted in little Soren following in his fathers foot steps and being pissed off at life. This was one of the first examples of the so called modern philosophers suffering from the catch 22 syndrome. Soren loved his dad and had come to realize that his feelings about life being shit stemmed from this love for his bummer of a dad.
Since you love quotes the way you do I'm going to step out of character and toss you a couple of Soren's own:
- "As a child I was strictly and earnestly brought up to Christianity, humanly speaking, insanely brought up: even in my earliest childhood I had been overstrained by impressions which were laid upon me by the melancholy old man who was himself oppressed by them -- a child, insanely travestied as a melancholy old man." -
Now if that isn't a good advertising campaign for Christianity I don't know what is. Soren goes on to expose more of where he got his twisted way of thinking in relation to the love he had for his good old dad by saying this, and I quote again,
-"I owe everything to my father from the very start. When he, melancholy as he was, saw me looking sad, he would say, 'See that you duly love Jesus Christ.'"-
Talk about your recession into childhood to identify your psychological starting point, what a fricken revelation for little Soren. Since we are into the quoting game and I'm going to toss you one more in regard to this Freudian line of thought, this one I like a lot, and I quote:
-A person is never himself but always a mask: a
person never owns his own person, but always
represents another, by whom he is possessed. And
that other, that one is, is always ancestors.
-Norman O. Brown
Ain't that a kick in the pants. I wonder if you are anything like your dad Duns? Is he a JW elder or just a little on the
overbearing and controlling side? Please don't get upset for me asking, my mom was a real butt kicker herself. It took
me years to get over that little dance with childhood trauma. I was just lucky enough to be able to identify that problem
and learn to deal with it. Sure saved my butt.
Getting back to Kierkegaard, the guy was simply a mess when he found out that his self martyrdom resulted in the woman he loved marring another guy. He soon went off the deep end and his writings got even stranger. The more religious crap he wrote the more people called him a nut. Unfortunately just as the JW revel in verbal abuse old Soren just became stronger in his convictions. He later recanted some of his views and started to attack his beloved Christianity but it was a little to little and a little too late.
Now that we know where his head was when he wrote about Abraham you can begin to understand what he was really saying. He related Abraham's attempted murder of his son to his own fathers murdering his own happiness. Soren sacrificed any happiness that he might of had in life to keep his nut ball father happy. He gave up the women he loved
to prove that being unhappy was the only path to true happiness. His dad was happy, his inner man was happy, and the guy that ended up marring his ex-girfriend was happy. Works for me.
My own personal thought about the Abraham and Isaac story is this. God must be one insecure creature to play games
like that with people. Kill someone to prove you love me, what a nut. If there is a real god, lets hope he is a lot more secure in his station in life not to need us useless sinful little people running around killing each other to prove we like the guy. No wonder Kierkegaard died young, what a lode of crap to have to haul around in your psyche.
Personally I'm a fan of Nietzsche. I'll be the first to admit he was a major downer himself but at least he admitted it and
took responsibility for it. If only Prozak was around back when those boys were philosophizing about life. Nietzsche cracks me up. He hated Christianity and didn't spare a single second letting everyone know about it. But if you really examine him, he pretty much hated everyone. Philosophy is more fun than an e ticket ride at Disney Land ain't it.
Hey this was fun, let's do it again soon. I'm still waiting for you to give Alan another real try. Remember, just because
you respond doesn't mean you have answered.
Have fun Duns, your a crack up.
Dave
does freedom of thought really obtain in this forum?
are those who have left god's organization and jehovah god himself actually now more open-minded and unbiased?
if those who espouse atheistic thoughts or those who believe every vile utterance spoken against jehovah's people think they are now speaking from some olympian perspective, i beg to differ.
Dunsscot,
Look pal, I'm going to put this in plain English so both you and those of us with an average EXJW ejakation can understand. Put down your "UCLA Student Dictionary of Really Big Words to Confuse and Influence Idiots" and answer Alan's post. All us little people need to get on with our chores we been fix'n to do, so get on with it. And hurry up damn it, our popcorn is gett'n cold.
Barney Fife once said if you put the worm on the hook and throw it in that there lake you just might catch yer self a really big fish.
You threw the hook in pal, now deal with it or go bowling.
Dave
OK, Alan where's my money?
why are there so many star trek refferences among x-jw's?
like the borg getting assimilated, etc.
i heard before that star trek was very popular in bethel despite warnings not to watch it.
Star Trek has a very deep rooted psychological meaning for any JW's who
were associated with the religion back when the first Star Trek series
appeared on television in the late sixties and early seventies. It was on Thursday nights.
It was a constant battle with ones inner strength to try and stay both spiritually
and physically healthy back then. If you felt the slightest bit sick on
Thursday night and couldn't make the service meeting then you would
just have to stay home and watch Star Trek. As word got around the many
congregations about Star Trek, the sicker the JW's seemed to get.
The more the sick JW's stayed home on Thursday nights the more Star Trek
climbed in the ratings. The epidemic soon spread through out the country.
Thousands of JW's became ill just thinking about Thursday night. Thoughts of
giving talks and hearing about spirit filled watchtower farm pigs using toilets
soon changed to evil Klingons and pointy eared Volkens with bad hair cuts.
The better the show got the sicker the JW's became.
Then, with out warning things came to a crescendo.
There was this episode where Spock was in heat and his level of lust was going to
kill him. He had to make a choice, get lied or kill his best buddy Captain Kirk.
Some how (I forget how) he fought Kirk and it ended in some kind of Volken tic-tac-toe
draw, loop hole, kind of thing and he didn't have to have sex with the Volken Chick he didn't
like, and he didn't have to kill Kirk either (Volkens are stupid). The governing body noticed
that in just that one Thursday night their watchtower and awake sales dropped 80%. They
looked at each other and said "holy shit, our sales are flowing down the toilet right
next to the pig shit, what are we going to do"?
(I'm not kidding here, they really said "pig shit", seriously, I have the documentation some where.)
Any way the society decided to tell everyone the end of the word was coming in 1975.
The JW's started to feel much better on Thursday nights and started to attend more meetings.
Soon after that, Star Trek was canceled.
The next few years the kingdom halls were starting to get packed. New people were studying
with the JW's right and left. They thought to themselves, "what the hell, might as well join, Star Trek is canceled".
After 1975 came and went a miracle happened. Star Trek came back in re-runs. People left the
religion in droves.
I think it was Ray Frans who said it best and I quote "Fuck this shit, Star Trek's back on" unqote.
I hope this answers your question new guy.
Live long and prosper.
Dave
So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer
and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being,
there cannot be any answer to the question: What is Truth?
-Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
i got my first crank mailing today.
it was a large envelope containing the following:.
1. two paper plates together.. 2. plastic fork and spoon.. 3. three small packets of ketchup.. 4. one packet of mayonnaise.. 5. two packets of salt and pepper.. 6. pair of old boxer shorts with the seat ripped out.. no message or writing, perhaps what is listed above is the message in totality.
Bill,
I don't mean to alarm you but just in case the person who sent you the package is a little more then just crazy you might want to put each and every thing you received in a plastic bag, including the package it was sent in. Try not to handle them any more than you have. Just in case it starts to get a little weird there are fibers all over the stuff that was sent and if necessary they can be traced. Store all the things in a place that would be hard for someone to find and let a friend you trust know where you have put them.
It's probably just a sick joke but you never know.
Dave
"what the hell is a watchtower, what the hell are publishers, where are you getting all this bullshit?".
st paul.
yerusalyim.
Seriously god, Venice's boob's stick out THIS far!
with all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.
you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.
the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.
You "are" a stiff drink Slip!
I might see Venice in person in two weeks. I think a few people have decided to
have a little party at my house while Alan F and his wife are visiting.
For ten bucks I'll tell Venice how great you are. For twenty bucks
I'll take pictures (hidden bathroom cam), For fifty bucks I'll give her a kiss on the
cheek and tell her it's from you. For a hundred bucks I'll.....God, sometimes I just make my self sick.
Dave
"what the hell is a watchtower, what the hell are publishers, where are you getting all this bullshit?".
st paul.
yerusalyim.
What do you mean I have to wait 'till either 1914 or 1975?
Make up your mind, it's hot in this fricken dress!
with all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.
you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.
the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.
Tell ya what fodeja,
I'll meet you half way, I'll do a little adjusting of my humor and you can take only a little of what I say serious.
I'll buy the scotch, I think everyone who has contributed to this thread could use a good stiff drink.
Dave
with all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.
you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.
the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.
Fodeja,
My crybaby whiney-ass opinion is as follows:
I know his posting of the picture was made with a sense of humor. So was mine. Humor is a subjective thing. A lot of it depends on your perspective and the context in which the humor is used.
I guess my level of humor and sarcasm has shot right over your head, I tend to have that problem sometimes. I'm working on it and I appreciate your straight forwardness in pointing out I had failed in getting my humor across. Out of most of the posts in this thread I have to say I have agreed with pretty much most of what you have said in yours. You make good points and have stated close to the same thing I have but is a simpler and easier manner to understand. Your response to me is a bit surprising but I guess you just can't win them all, can ya.
I'm not a beer drinker but I could handle a good scotch. Thanks for your comment, I will try and adjust my humor and sarcasm accordingly.
Dave
