YouTube and picture phones are only doing, and will continue to do, what jws themselves fear most...
Truly expose them, in the light of day, as to who and what they ARE and always WILL BE.
A fraud.
They can't sue everyone!
sKally
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44How to get WT Comments videos back up (with Knocking section)
by Burger Time inok i think the best way to go about this is make this a david vs goliath issue.
we should email every news outlet/online outlet we can think of.
attach a copy of the email sent and make some bad publicity for pbs.
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How to get WT Comments videos back up (with Knocking section)
by Burger Time inok i think the best way to go about this is make this a david vs goliath issue.
we should email every news outlet/online outlet we can think of.
attach a copy of the email sent and make some bad publicity for pbs.
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How 'bout I snap their photo on my phone as they approach my door?
Could you use THAT V?
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"KNOCKING" LEGAL ACTION AGAINST WATCHTOWER COMMENTS
by V inthis notice was emailed to a third party who embeds watchtower comments videos on his blog:.
"my name is tom shepard, co-producer and co-director of knocking, a documentary about jehovah's witnesses.
you have violated u.s. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from knocking in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "watchtower comments" archived at the url: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html .
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Very interesting ninja. Thanks.
Apocalypse Later: Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end is fluid
Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end is fluid
From Newsweek magazine, December 18, 1995, page 59. Article by Kenneth L. Woodard, with Joel P. Engardio.
THE THIRD MILLENNIUM is just four years away, and you'd think that Jehovah's Witnesses would be ecstatic. Ever since the movement's inception in the 1870s, the Witnesses have insisted that the world as we know it is about to end. According to their unique Biblical calculations, the countdown to Armageddon commenced in 1914 -- the first world war was a major sign -- and Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914 passes away." For countless Witnesses, this prediction was good reason not to save money, start a career or make burial plans. As one of their leaders famously preached in 1918: "Millions now living will never die."
Now, it seems, all millennial bets are off. In last month's issue of The Watchtower, the sect's leaders quietly acknowledged that Jesus was right in the first place, when he said that "no one knows the day or the hour." All previous references to timetables for Armageddon, the magazine now suggests, were speculation rather than settled doctrine. The year 1914 still marks the beginning of the last days. But those who hoped to witness the battle of Armageddon and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth will have to wait. Henceforth, any generation that experiences such calamities as war and plagues like AIDS could be the one to witness the end times. In short, the increasingly middle-class Witnesses would do well to buy life insurance.
If this serious revision of expectations takes the edge off the Witnesses' apocalyptic profile, it also buys them time. The generation that was alive in 1914 is rapidly disappearing, and the the sect's current leadership shows every sign of digging in for the long haul. In recent years the Witnesses have been on a building spree: they just completed a 670-acre educational center in rural New York state that includes 624 apartments, garages for up to 800 cars and a dining facility that accommodates 1,600 people at one sitting. Officials of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (the Witnesses' official title) deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change. "The end is still close," says Witness spokesman Bob Pevy. "We just can't put numbers on Jesus' words."
So far, the new interpretation has caused no noticeable decline in membership among the 5.1 million Witnesses worldwide. But then, they rarely air their differences with outsiders. "Believing the end was imminent gave a special urgency to being a Jehovah's Witness," says Ray Franz, a former member of the society's governing board in Brooklyn, N.Y., who left the church in 1981. Older members, especially, heroically risked their lives and reputations by refusing blood transfusions, military service, allegiance to the flag and other acts prohibited by their faith -- all with the expectation that they would soon live forever in the paradise of God's new kingdom on earth. Charles Kris, 73, a retired autoworker from Saginaw, Mich., served three years in prison with 400 other Witnesses for refusing to fight in World War II. "It was prison life, but I took advantage of the time to study the Bible and witness to other prisoners," he recalls.
But for Kris, and especially for those younger Witnesses who have no memory of the rough early days (the Nazis interred many Witnesses in concentration camps), preaching God's message is more important than witnessing the end of the world. "I'd like to see it happen," says Kris, who still hands out tracts door to door.
"But if it doesn't happen in my lifetime, I won't be disappointed."___________________
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Raymond Franz and UN
by kpax incan anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.
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Why is this thread allowing me to only view the first page?
When you click to go to the next page, it stays on page one.
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How to get WT Comments videos back up (with Knocking section)
by Burger Time inok i think the best way to go about this is make this a david vs goliath issue.
we should email every news outlet/online outlet we can think of.
attach a copy of the email sent and make some bad publicity for pbs.
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You would probably need the permission of the people in the photograph and the property owner.
Many kh's are on public streets. All I need to do is stand on a curb. They don't own all of the dirt a kh sits on or near.
Many people do not get permoission of the ones they are capturing on their cellphones. That concept is simply silly. No offense DT.
Like I said, they just can't stop The momentum of this Snowball.
Looks like the internet is doing what so many of you who keep sitting there, knowing it's all a fraud, just won't do...
INFORM and ARM people of serious issues within their 'religion'.
sKally
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How to get WT Comments videos back up (with Knocking section)
by Burger Time inok i think the best way to go about this is make this a david vs goliath issue.
we should email every news outlet/online outlet we can think of.
attach a copy of the email sent and make some bad publicity for pbs.
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Would pictures I capture on my cellphone be considered mine, by copyright?
I mean, sitting behind someone at a kingdumb hellhole and snapping my camera phone as a "sister" raises her hand. Then submitting it to youtube...is that photo mine, by copyright?
What about standing outside a kh and snapping from my phone, jws walking in or out of neetings? What CAN they do about THAT?
Fact is, you can't stop the momentum of the powerful information highway we now know as the internet.
But keep trying TED!
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Stupid idiot JW, writes me an e-mail about molestation.
by dawg ini wrote a u-tube reply to the jw nbc molestation case.
a dumb ass jw wote me the following e-mail in response!
"first of all boo, obviously something is wrong with you~!!!
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Because Church leadership sent down lawyers from Brooklyn trying to defend their right for clergy client privileges. So you see sir, this case isn't about one congregation, it's about the leaders of your organization trying to protect an image at the expense of children. Several Elders have been disfellowshipped for going against the GB and speaking to authorities. Maybe you aren't aware of this".
Tsk tsk Teddy.
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Elders Must Testify; Attorneys to Appeal
by Kenneson insorry if this has been posted before, but i just came across it.. "jehovah's witnesses elders must tesfify in murrieta molestation case, judge rules".
http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/pe_news_local_h_faith26.4193557.html.
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Perhaps we should put Jessica in touch with KNOCKING. Or at least, send her the link to the study guide.
I'm sure Joel and Tom can help these elders out too. An email of the article will surely be an asset then.
Get the info out there people. It's only clicks away. Not rocket science here.
Nice to see ya Sunspot.
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Elders Must Testify; Attorneys to Appeal
by Kenneson insorry if this has been posted before, but i just came across it.. "jehovah's witnesses elders must tesfify in murrieta molestation case, judge rules".
http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/pe_news_local_h_faith26.4193557.html.
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Elders Must Testify; Attorneys to Appeal
by Kenneson insorry if this has been posted before, but i just came across it.. "jehovah's witnesses elders must tesfify in murrieta molestation case, judge rules".
http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/pe_news_local_h_faith26.4193557.html.
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Leaders of a Jehovah's Witnesses congregation must reveal what a Murrieta man suspected of molesting two girls told them, despite their claims the conversation were protected by clergy confidentiality, a judge ruled Tuesday.
The congregation leaders must testify in the man's trial on child-molestation charges, said Riverside County Judge F. Paul Dickerson.
The defense attorney says he will appeal.
Experts say the ruling raises compelling legal questions.
"It is an interesting legal issue that does need to be clarified by the court," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
She said an appeals court could decide if the law should extend beyond a traditional confession into this type of hearing.
California law protects statements made to clergy members who are required by their faith's practices to keep them secret.
In his ruling, Dickerson said testimony from Elder Andrew Sinay showed the Jehovah's Witnesses' judicial committee system is not designed to keep information confidential.
Dickerson said this was not a case where Gilbert Simental went to the elders seeking forgiveness or guidance.
"This was the opposite," he said. "It was more like a third-party investigation into immoral conduct."
In this case, the judge said, the elders' duty was to determine guilt and to protect the congregation, not to keep the communications under wraps.
"It's an investigative, fact-finding body without regard for confidentiality," he said. "This was a tribunal designed to protect the congregation." [[ applaudes the judge ]]
Dickerson's ruling came in response to prosecutor Burke Strunsky's request to force the elders to testify. Jury selection is already under way in Simental's trial at the Southwest Justice Center in French Valley.
"This case highlights the perils of interpreting this privilege in an overly broad fashion," Strunsky said.
Simental, 49, is charged with molesting two of his daughter's friends when they came to his home for sleepovers between July 2005 and July 2006, according to court papers. The girls are sisters who were 9 and 10 at the time, the records show.
The Press-Enterprise does not publish the names of minors who are believed to have been victims of sexual abuse.
After the ruling, defense attorney Miles Clark said he will appeal Dickerson's decision.
"My client relied on the elders to keep his statements confidential," Clark said. [[ RED FLAG TO ALL ELDERS...YOU COULD BE NEXT TO TESTIFY BY FORCE ]]
Jehovah's Witnesses should not be treated differently from members of other faiths simply because their practices are different, he said. [[ That works both ways. ]]
Clark said Simental's statements to the judicial committee should be treated the way the statements a Roman Catholic makes to a priest in a confessional are. [[ No way. He didn't...just say this? Amazing, isn't it?]]
During the hearing at the Southwest Justice Center, prosecutor Strunsky questioned Sinay about the congregation's practices and how information obtained during a judicial committee is handled.
Sinay said they share information obtained during judicial committee proceedings with the Jehovah's Witnesses office in New York and with committees that are called on in an appellate capacity.
Strunsky also questioned the parents of the two girls.
The girls' parents testified that after the children came to their mother with their allegations, she met with Sinay and Elder John Vaughn, who agreed they would inform the couple of the outcome of the inquiry.
The girls' mother testified that Sinay later told her that Simental had made a full confession.
While Sinay did not provide her with a verbatim confession, she said Sinay did tell her that Simental had confessed.
Clark asked whether Sinay ever said that Simental had confessed to molesting her daughters.
The woman said he did not use the word "molest" during their conversation.
The girls' father testified that during a meeting with Sinay, Vaughn and another elder, he was also told that Simental confessed during a judicial committee meeting.
The elders also told the father that Simental had never done this before and was no danger to the community, he said.
If convicted of all charges, Simental faces 45 years to life in prison.
Simental is charged with a similar allegation in another criminal case. That case is currently awaiting trial.
He is free on $1 million bail.
Staff writer Jessica Logan contributed to this report. [[ Let's check her out, shall we? ]]
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