background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
Giordano 67% of JW born-ins stop identifying as JW's, interesting, do you have a reference for this?
And thanks for your advice! Yes, I know there's nothing worthwhile in the Bible :) I'm not looking for a "refined truth" here. I mentioned above while I'm asking if you'd like to scroll up.
Thanks everyone!!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
The Fall Guy, good point about Romans 6.7. Actually I noticed this several years when discussing hellfire with a Protestant. When talking about the "wages for sin is death" thing, he kept saying that "death" meant spiritual death. Gen "you will die", spiritual. Romans 5.12, spiritual death. And Romans 6.7, spiritual death. I told him it obviously wasn't the case, that Adam and Eve did literally die because of their sin, and that we literally die because of inherited sin. However, I wondered about 6.7. When I went back home, I opened Romans 6 to read the context, and noticed what you just said - he's obviously talking about spiritual death.
I like the added value of what you said on the blood of Christ being the basis of forgiveness of sins.
I think the Bible is so incoherent that we need a lot of twisting to try and make sense out of it.
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
cofty, I just read both your posts on blood. They're an eye opener. These are exactly what I'm looking for. I should (and will) read more of your posts. Thank you!!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
Vanderhoven7 but the book of Revelation IS about JW :P
Thank you for your post!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
neat blue dog, I've seen the Paradise Earth one, but I must disagree. The Bible is filled with verses about an Earthly paradise. Is 25 explicitly talks about the Earth. Rv 21 speaks of Jerusalem "descending", so it's easy to argue it's descending on Earth to bless it, Mt 6.10-like. Let me know if you think I'm missing something.
I'll check the other one right away!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
waton Aha yes thank you!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
TD You're right. I need to learn to stop viewing the Bible as one coherent book, or even one book. Thank you :)
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
cofty, just read your post there. Amazing. Some points were new to me. Thank you very much!
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
Hairtrigger, sure, you can feel JW's are worse persons than non-JW's, in general. You don't need to justify or provide evidence for your belief, unless you're trying to convince others. I'm not trying to convince anyone that my beliefs regarding JW being good persons in general are correct. I was just trying to say that anti-JW bias/hatred is not what I'm looking for in this thread, and that I'd like posts to mention doctrinal mistakes rather than other kinds of mistakes.
As to why I'm interested in such discussions, two reasons:
The first is simply curiosity. I like to read and discuss thoughts. I will often discuss the thoughts of other religions I don't believe in, although on this group in particular I'd like to discuss JW doctrine in particular.
The second is that for years I have been indoctrinated. Some JW teachings I'm sure are scriptural. Other JW teachings I'm sure are unscriptural. But recently I've been noticing that many beliefs that I've had for years and that I thought were scriptural, actually weren't. As a fresh apostate I'd like to make sense of the things I've learned :) For example, I've learned something from cofty's post above. Although I don't believe in Jehovah, Jesus, or the Bible, I need this. I hope this makes sense :)
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
