do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?
as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Vanderhoven "unwillingness to admit to the magnitude of the child sexual abuse problem", that's not necessarily bad intent. I don't publicize the extent of my mistakes either. And I'm pretty sure the Bible didn't publicize the extent of Abraham's, Moses', Isaiah's, John Baptist's or Peter's mistakes either.
"Using lawyers to stave off judgments in favour of the abused" sounds like bad intent. Do you have any links?
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?
as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Everyone, any evidence?
1234 do you have any evidence I don't need to pay to access?
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?
as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent? As opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.
I'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the Bible is wrong), but I'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise.
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
BlueBrother well the capital sin in the Bible is to reject God. Jesus praised Jehovah for hiding the truth from the arrogant. If those fighting Covid 19 haven't accepted the truth, well, Jehovah hasn't led them to it. In a JW's mind their selflessness just attests to the beauty of Jehovah's qualities, that are reflected even in those who refuse to acknowledge his sovereignty. Besides they will add that "the door is not closed yet" and that they might even die and be resurrected as unrighteous.
I don't believe in any of it now :) I find it an interesting, elaborate construction. Back then it was enough for me to focus on all the good, nice, rational things in the "truth" and keep going. But the more I studied the more I discovered flaws, until it became unbearable and I left.
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
jp1692, yup, I no longer believe in Jehovah or the Bible. Actually I left because of the problems with Jehovah's personality and the Bible rather than because of problems with Jehovah's Witnesses as a people or organization. I've learned a lot and have benefited a lot from having been a witness for almost 20 years. But what's wrong is wrong.
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
Half banana, as to why I'm interested in such discussions, two reasons:
The first is simply curiosity. I like to read and discuss thoughts. I will often discuss the thoughts of other religions I don't believe in, although on this group in particular I'd like to discuss JW doctrine in particular.
The second is that for years I have been indoctrinated. Some JW teachings I'm sure are scriptural. Other JW teachings I'm sure are unscriptural. But recently I've been noticing that many beliefs that I've had for years and that I thought were scriptural, actually weren't. As a fresh apostate I'd like to make sense of the things I've learned :smile: For example, I've learned something from cofty's post above. Although I don't believe in Jehovah, Jesus, or the Bible, I need this. I hope this makes sense :)
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
Thank you The Fall Guy, JoenB75!
Vanderhoven what do you mean with "the universalists"?
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
10% of JW aren't sure God exists? 6% don't believe the Bible is the word of God? 50% don't believe in Heaven? 25% don't even care to pretend they're politically neutral? That poll is weird.
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.
actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.
i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
Giordano, thank you!
joey jojo, I agree!
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
JW claim the sheep and goats are people who are actually alive when the Kingdom comes, and that they're judged based on their past actions. So they wouldn't include the unrighteous who are resurrected during the Millenial Reign.
On a related note, they claim that all the "goats" who die at Armageddon are beyond repentance. This not incompatible with Scripture, but it's not based on Scripture either. I think it's an another attempt to make Jehovah look better than he is.
If anybody disagrees with any point please let me know!
