original reddit post (removed).
Jeez.
I would think that despite whatever anyone thinks of Lloyd as a person, his recent moral failings, or his career as an activist, that we could all agree that the worst thing that could happen here is if he killed himself. He seemed on the edge of doing so while making this latest video and admitted to having wrestled with thoughts to that effect throughout the ordeal.
Maybe we can be a little humane first and THEN worry about what a [insert preferred insult here] he is.
i don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?
in lieu of any solid evidence, i'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.. it would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the gb succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.
let me firmly disclaim any implication that i am encouraging violence or wishing death on the governing body.
I don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?
In lieu of any solid evidence, I'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.
It would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the GB succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.
Let me firmly disclaim any implication that I am encouraging violence or wishing death on the Governing Body. I want people, all people, to LIVE with the concequences of their bad actions. I want to see all wrongdoers brought to justice while being fully aware that their facade has been torn away and that everyone then knows who and what they really are.
This is just a question meant for educational and entertainment purposes.
this is a confidential letter for all full time servants like cos, regular pioneers, bethel and branch workers so please don't tell anyone about this.. reminder 20,000 jws have died of covid and 99% of those who died or were hospitalized in the united states branch territory were not vaccinated, so whose fault is that???.
my question, how did they get the information that all these 20,000 jws were not vaccinated?.
hint; if you want to continue to share in spiritual privileges--------------------get vaccinated.
In typical Watchtower fashion, they leave the matter up to personal choice but encourage JWs to consider cherry picked information that only supports one course of action, and cherry pick the negative concequences of not doing that one course of action. It's their way of telling you to do something without telling you to do something.
It's fine to encourage people to get vaccinated, but the WT organization just can't help but to be sneaky and manipulative about it.
i have been watching evans videos for a while.
he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.
women are to be subservient to men.
Another thing - Jehovah's Witnesses are indoctrinated to feel deep revulsion and fear towards anyone who criticizes the organization and its doctrine, not the Bible.
Householder #1: The Bible is an evil book that condones slavery, political imprisonment, sexism, homophobia and genocide.
JW: Many people feel that way. Let me show you why I disagree.
Householder #2: I saw this thing on YouTube about your religion and...
JW: Baaaagh, apostates! *runs away* *screams* JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!!!!!
i have been watching evans videos for a while.
he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.
women are to be subservient to men.
I always watch him on 2x speed.
I usually watch YouTube on 2x speed anyway, but Lloyd is a very slow speaker and I think most people, even those who speak English as a second language, could understand him clearly at 2x.
i have been watching evans videos for a while.
he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.
women are to be subservient to men.
I don't see the problem.
It's not just that JWs follow the Bible, it's the pattern of how they interpret and apply it that gets to the heart of what the organization is really about. As much as I have a distaste for other churches, you can at least go into many of them as a non believer and not be hammered over the head about how disgusting and broken you are. If curious JWs can start to see the other side of things, their empathy can lead them in the right direction.
i'm half listening in on my wife's zoom meeting.
in my decade+ in the org, i don't remember ever getting into such minutia about jw hunting rules.. apparently, it's ok to kill an animal to use its skin as a clothing accessory, but it's not ok to kill an animal to use its antlers as a wall decoration.. not mentioned in the talk: whether or not its ok to kill an animal to wear its antlers as a hat.. .
I'm half listening in on my wife's Zoom meeting. In my decade+ in the org, I don't remember ever getting into such minutia about JW hunting rules.
Apparently, it's OK to kill an animal to use its skin as a clothing accessory, but it's not OK to kill an animal to use its antlers as a wall decoration.
Not mentioned in the talk: whether or not its OK to kill an animal to wear its antlers as a hat.
here is what a co said at the elders and ms meeting.
it goes to show that no matter how hard the governing body tries to instill fear of apostates, it's just not working on the young crowd of jws.. it's a new generations of born in jws--------and they don't buy this shit anymore.
it's really over for the watchtower.
What a true religion would do: Provide higher quality evidence, shore up any holes in its arguments, listen intently to criticism and attempt to make proper changes for the better, encourage people with doubts to look at a wide variety of sources vetted for accuracy and ultimately let God be the one to enact any kind of judgements.
What a not-so-true religion would do: Tolerate no sort of disagreement or questioning, label critics and unbelievers as despicable, dangerous, and dishonest agents of Satan, cruelly punish any member who changes their minds about their beliefs and extort them into silence with public shaming and shunning, bribe people into agreement by offering paradise and threaten people against disagreement with brutal execution and eternal death.
the light really is getting brighter, but what kind?
i can think of three types of figurative light in this context:.
1) that which jws refer to and they base on pr 4:18. light on a path... light that gets brighter.
"The way of the Watchower is like the gaslight that gets brighter and brighter."
Kudos to @Fadeaway1962 for beating me to it 😂
since this pandemic, especially, are witnesses fine with never having to go to another meeting or assembly again?
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As for meetings, most around my parts are saying that they can't wait to return. I believe them. We need to remember that PIMIs view the religion differently. It's not just a heirarchy and a set of rules, it's their community and social support system. Of course they want to see their people again. Also, your typical JW has deliberately limited their focus on every other aspect of their lives for the sake of the religion and don't have much else to do with themselves. In some respects, it reminds me of children who are excited when school is out for the summer. By the end of summer they get bored and realize that they have nothing else going on in their lives so they can't wait to get back. Then they get sick of school again and can't wait to get out, in a cycle that doesn't end until they graduate and spend the rest of their lives wishing they could relive their schooldays.
As for the ministry. Some people, like my wife, absolutely love it and aren't just pretending. Many (most?) JWs aren't like that and do it out of a sense of duty. Of course, The Watchtower Society shames and defames Witnesses who don't preach cheerfully or who express any bit of dislike for the ministry. I can see that portion of JWs dreading having to go back but being too intimidated bor ashamed to actually admit it.
