I remember my in laws saying that years ago, whenever some question about the Borg came up. I used to think "why do you need to go anywhere?" Sounded like they were saying "we're not smart enough to think on our own" - which, as it turns out, was exactly what they were saying.
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Closest to the truth?
by punkofnice ini know many jws that state that the watchtower corporation is the 'closest to the truth'.
thus they quiet their cognitive dissonance.. i don't have access to a corporation library any more.
is this a stance that the watchtower corporation has actually claimed?.
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Peer presure to use Ipad
by Gorbatchov inearlier this season i advised my retired father to ignore the use of a tablet during his kingdom hall congregational visits.
his response was hopefull, but between the lines i could hear he had no choice.. yesterday he showed me his new 600 euro 64 gb ipad air 2. he had no clue what he has to do with it, he told me one of the elders will install the jw.org apps.. so, i feel he had to deal with presure to buy this ipad and i think he is not the only one.. do you recognize this?.
gorby.
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My mom (in her 80s) was feeling left out and confused, so I bought her a tablet. Made her feel better, she really can't use it without help but at least she doesn't feel left behind. I loaded it with several games she can play (if I get her started) and she loves that, and watching Netflix. (I am a bad influence, of course.). Doesn't seem to care at all about BorgTV. -
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Beards galore at the Assembly
by Truthexplorer inok, at our recent assembly, i noticed that there were quite a lot of brothers wearing beards.
not just the older dudes, but right across a range of ages, young men, middle aged men and older men.
is watchtower beginning to relax this rule at last?
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Here, there's a lot of "only shaving for Sunday" especially if you can figure out a way to skip the weeknight meeting (what is that called these days, anyway?). When I'm in town I see lots of beards :-). I always compliment them. Microphones handled mostly by young teens, here. -
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Is zeal beginning to vanish?
by Caupon init has to be starting to fade somehow.
the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.
maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.
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I had not been in a KH for ten years before having to take my Mom on Sundays. I have seen a HUGE difference - everyone seems depressed. If there's much service going on I'm not hearing much talk about it, nothing like when I was growing up. Kinda sad for my Mom, she's looking for the GT...... tomorrow!
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You think the light may have come on in the mind of a few JW's?
by James Mixon inisis or isil believe they are the key agent of the coming apocalypse.. jw's , we are warning folks of the coming day of jehovah.. isis, their purpose to spread a totalitarian caliphate throughout the world.. jw's "if you are not with us you are against us".. isis, polarize muslims against one another, to incite internal divisions.. jw's shunning..
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Old, Faithful and Forgotten...
by rrb2016 inhad a conversation with my jw mother the other day.
she has been baptized for over 50 years.
i've been out for 30 years, but because both my mother and mother-in-law are jw's i keep up with all things jw.
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This has happened in my Mom's congregation. I bought her a tablet (she doesn't know how to use it but it's the principle of the matter, d**m*t!) and made sure she has access to jw.org so she can watch the videos, etc. Before I was there she was saying "people have stuff and they read things at meeting and I don't even have it." That was upsetting her. I print things now so she'll have it if she wants it.
I am surprised to see absolutely no effort to help the elderly ones-even if they have money for Internet and tablets they don't know what to do with them. And no effort to print items for them. Even some with younger Internet-savvy JW children aren't getting any help, which seems really strange to me.
Funny thing too, after all of that my Mom doesn't even want to watch the videos. Ever!
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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15
by JW_Rogue inno, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.
that is to be expected from this org.
what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.
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My brain is still chewing (and spitting out) that article from yesterday. I really hated that part where you have to wait on Jehovah to decide what/if/when he's going to help you. So don't make a quick decision, wait until Jehovah shows you what he wants you to do. And then once you've finally decided (or life has decided for you), you can say it's the "hand of God" helping you. If it turns out well, anyway. Sheesh
It seems like alot of what I am seeing lately is fundamentalist christian stuff..... I really wonder about this shift. (Or, maybe I see it this way, not being around it for so long.) Suddenly, the JWs are just a fundamentalist megachurch, like all the others. Growing up, "we" were always proud "we" weren't like the mainstream churches. Now, I can't tell the difference.
And if the "hand of god" is helping on the legal side, why didn't he make the Australian RC just go away? Wait..... no one here seems to know about that, so it must not exist, my bad.
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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15
by JW_Rogue inno, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.
that is to be expected from this org.
what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.
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I was beyond disgusted today as well. This was another study about fooling yourself into thinking that a higher power only helps YOU and your fellow Borg-mates. And if you don't see that now, if you just keeeeeeeeeep thinking about it eventually you'll be convinced God is helping you.And any legal issues are always decided for the benefit of the JWs. (That's the interpretation given by the WT conductor today. WHAT???). I realized today no one in this group had a clue about what goes on in the wider world OR what is really happening with the "organization". I understand that my mother doesn't (senility) but the fact that the younger ones are clueless is astounding. I haven't been in 10 plus years (just taking my Mom on Sundays) but I am truly astounded by this group of clueless people.
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Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized
by ILoveTTATT2 inhi people,.
i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).
1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.
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1) raised in (one parent)
2) 1974, age 13
3) 2000 (totally)
26 years. Doubts for a long time, waiting for an opportunity to fade. So glad to be out!
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INSPIRED ERROR: new phrase among JW CO
by wannaexit inthere is no end to their madness.
the co gave a talk on inspired error.
i have never heard of it.
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Ridiculous.