Posts by Spiral

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Today's Text - Draw Close To God... (BUT HOW???)

by Divergent in

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here's where i stand at the moment: i neither categorize myself as a theist, atheist, or agnostic.

i'm a freethinker and do not have a specific belief at the moment, unless something comes along which is 100% conclusive & convincing.

which brings us to tackling the elephant in the room, something that today's text has failed to do:.

Spiral

I realized after growing up "in" that when things went well people thought Jehovah was communicating with them. Well, doesn't everyone think that of their God?

I came to the conclusion that if there was a God who was both powerful enough and sophisticated enough to create the universe as we know it, he would be a better communicator. Supposedly, he can create planets and universes and creatures that love to communicate, but he can't even get his message straight to his followers. Then, he sends out confusing messages to them as a test to see if they can figure it out and "follow" him correctly.

That's just insanity. You can't "grow close" to that!

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Now finally Caleb & Sofia Anti-Gay Video going viral in Germany too

by Daniel1555 in

today spiegel online & bento have an article about the anti-gay video.. spiegel is one of the biggest and most serious news media in germany.. they also report and show that youtubers cut the video and changed it in a funny way.

sofia tells her mother that the teacher said it's fine if they live each other.

then sofia's mother says: "thats wonderful.".

Spiral

DY, I admit I haven't seen the video (I really can't stomach watching the videos) but I had the same thought:

Move forward with your life and let others live theirs. Much happiness and peace comes from minding one's business only.

So, my question to the JWs would be: Is it appropriate to teach younger children to tell school mates their parents are in a relationship that doesn't merit "paradise"? This would be my problem with a video like this (along with the homophobia, of course).

The JWs think they have a right to tell other people how to live their lives. That is an integral part of their culture. The first reason in my mind that made me leave the "org".

Talesin, I know of a situation (possibly two) of a suicide because the young person couldn't "meet the requirements" of the "org". My sympathy to you about your friend.

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Don't Want To Be At The RC This Year...

by JW_Rogue in

the whole time i'll just be thinking about what effect all those crazy loyalty videos will have on my family.

i can venture to guess that they'll be wound up and determined to "stay loyal" because this "is the truth" and "this system can't last much longer".

i have to go because not doing so would raise too much suspicion but i'm really dreading it.

Spiral

We always made an excuse to go to another state.....and then just not go to the assembly. We would just go have fun.

The thing I always noticed is that people wouldn't talk about specific content for very long after the assembly, a week or two at most. So if you just are on vacation or go AWOL for awhile the chat dies down and no one knows you didn't go.

Checking on websites like this will give you just enough hint on what went on to have an answer if you really get cornered when you get back.

Perhaps if you tempt your wife with a real vacation she might just take you up on it.

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Angst and the Jehovah's Witness Mindset

by cofty in

there is no typical jw personality type.. any of us who were in the religion for a number of years will remember all sorts of individuals.

there is as much variety among jws as there is in the general population.

some were arrogant and judgemental but others were humble and kindly.

Spiral

I also agree 100%. The JWs are trained to see the bad in everything. Today's talk, I have no idea what the subject was supposed to be, except "everything is baaaaaaad because the bible tells us so. And getting woooooorse. Life is so haaaaaaard. Paradise will arrive right on schedule even if it's after you are dead." It certainly creates and perpetuates a certain mindset.

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When will they start spying on tablets/iPads at meetings?

by purrpurr in

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friends

following on from a similar post, the use of tablets/ipads at the meetings is a life saver to many a bored or mentally out jw.

i'm sure the borg must know the potential for surfing the net or reading other books instead of reading the meeting material during the meeting?.

at what point are they going to start policing this?

Spiral

I don't use the wifi at my Mom's hall.....partly because I don't have the password. You have to be special to be issued the password and I'm not about to ask for it. (Is every hall like that?) I download something to read (and of course the WT so I can appear to be following along) and I use my cell for a hotspot for my tablet if I need to.

If I was ever asked to let someone look at my tablet my response would be "no....oh, HELL no!"

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New Spiritually Weak Label: Not Using Tablet/iPhone

by Doubtfully Yours in

with last night's meeting it became official: here in the states is a must to keep up with 'jehovah's org' that one fully jumps on board with this tablet/iphone crap.. so, now, all of us that up to this point have refused to follow the wtbts in their electronic/wireless revolution will deal with the browbeating from the 'spiritual' ones.. already receiving lots of grief from hubby and rest of the family/close friends when seen at the meetings with paper publications.

damn it!!!

am i alone in this resistance???!!!.

Spiral

The approval from above of the ipad is just so wonderful.....such a blessing (***barf***) my Mom has one (can't use it, but anyway it's there for all to see, we're showing off her "means of life") and I load my kindle app with something worthwhile to read. As thedepressedsoul said, it's the only way I get through meeting without blowing my brains out.

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The Law of Unintended Consequences

by Londo111 in

the governing body/watchtower unduly influences millions into extreme beliefs and behaviors.

and i suspect folks like anthony morris thinks his flock is not obedient or strict enough and there are many rules and teachings the governing body would love to enact but do not have the votes, or even they have the sense enough to know it would go too far.

however, i can’t help how by the time their edicts filter down to the rank and file jw, it causes unintended consequences.

Spiral

oh, and smart people leaving, with their money. They'll do well "in the world" and won't give you a dime.

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The Law of Unintended Consequences

by Londo111 in

the governing body/watchtower unduly influences millions into extreme beliefs and behaviors.

and i suspect folks like anthony morris thinks his flock is not obedient or strict enough and there are many rules and teachings the governing body would love to enact but do not have the votes, or even they have the sense enough to know it would go too far.

however, i can’t help how by the time their edicts filter down to the rank and file jw, it causes unintended consequences.

Spiral

Keeping people in you really don't want in, because they can play the system and keep from being DF'd, or get reinstated shortly.

The worst part of that is they really don't even see it.

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Since leaving WTTS have you joined a new church or just continue with the new beliefs you have discovered under no religion?

by AmIright in

share your thoughts ?

Spiral

Happily atheist. Now that I'm out, I feel like God is just a story.

Wait..... not quite accurate, I don't think I ever really believed in God. Now I just know I don't believe.

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Under WT rules, can JW women file for a divorce? Or can only men file?

by JimmyPage in

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friends

the reason i ask is because while watching the "dateline" episode about ralph candelario, the claim was made that only jw men could file for divorce, not women.

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i had never thought about this before.. also, how does this apply in cases where a husband is "apostate" while the wife is faithful to wt?

Spiral

I haven't read all the comments but in this case I believe it was because her first husband was not a witness, so it looked better if he filed for the divorce (as in, I can't help it if he divorces me).