Posts by Spiral

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Kids continue to leave in droves - so what is the organization's grand plan? This

by sir82 in

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jws have one of the worst, if not the worst, retention rates among their kids.

i've seen numbers from 65% to 88% who leave, never to return.. you'd think this would be a priority amongst the leadership, right?

where do tomorrow's leaders come from, if the vast majority of kids leave the organization?

Spiral

They seem to think if they get the kids to get baptised at, say, 8 years old that will keep them in. But this generation is smarter than to think that they are obligated to stay in something they made a promise about as a teen or pre-teen. The GB is so full of themselves they still think they can guilt people into staying, but I had a conversation just today that proves that people are getting resentful of all the guilt. The elderly local elders keep pushing (they don't know anything else, it's all they've ever done) but this congregation is shrinking fast. Few kids and teenagers. Almost all of their adult children haven't been in a KH for years. (Amazing how they can't see the significance of that, and keep spewing the bad family advice.)

Alot of resentment expressed today about the convention and its message..... when someone feels comfortable to drop the JW act you see that coming out.

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Don't believe anyone is up there listening - said a prayer anyway out of sense of obligation

by Zoos in

i've read many statements on this forum from people who have expressed the sentiment that you don't shove ttatt down the throat of an older person.

it would be too traumatic and its best to let some people, in some situations, simply pass on in the delusion.. its humane.

merciful.. in the initial roar of my awakening, i was unable to cuddle up to that sentiment; preferring, instead, to shove the blood curdling shock of truth down the throat of anyone i could get my grip on... age be dammed.

Spiral

You did the right thing, and you didn't add to his pain, knowing he just has a little time left.

It's the everyday kindnesses that mean everything to someone at the end of their life.

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Some Comments On Facebook From Some Of My Relatives After Leaving EU

by disillusioned 2 in

everyone talking about leaving the eu, i am concerned and excited.

mostly i look forward to seeing bible prophecy coming true and i keep my mum in the forefront of my mind.. me too sis!.

we left eu.

Spiral

I've heard several comments like that about Brexit. These JWs also think (this also after going to the convention) that all the DF'd or inactive ones will want to come back for sure! Bible prophecy being fulfilled! Pathetic. Same craziness after any big event, you'd think they'd realize.

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Sometimes I feel like I Should Believe something...

by freemamaof3 in

has anyone else felt like they should believe something after leaving wt?

i am an agnostic atheist and its so so hard for me to believe in a god or higher power.

it just doesn't make sense.

Spiral

It's a funny thing, given I was raised a JW, once I quit going I quit believing. Like a switch turned off. It feels great.

I realize that is unusual. I'm sure it actually means I never did believe, I just felt obligated. I do not feel the need to replace JW-ism with anything else.

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Did others experience this on the ministry or among JWs generally?

by slimboyfat in

sometimes it's hard to know if our own experience of jws was typical and what features were peculiar to our own area or the individual jws we knew personally.

i was wondering if others experienced this among jws:.

a few times on the ministry, when we were working wealthy areas with large houses, some brothers and sisters would make the comment that they look forward to taking ownership of one of these big houses after armageddon, when the worldly people have vacated them.

Spiral

I have heard that before out in service and at the hall. Usually, it was from a JW that was barely making it but was too "spiritual" (aka stubborn) to go out and get a real job.

One brother used to give talks where he'd always put down successful "worldly" people, as in they can't be really happy and they must be working non-stop to have the nice house and car, etc. (Really???)

Meanwhile, he was frequently unemployed or working at minimum wage jobs, because he was just too hard to get along with. But, he always blamed "this system" for being against him, and he was going to have it all in the "new system" (and have his revenge). Ugh!

Overall, I think a lot of JWs said things like that and didn't even realize how wacky it sounds. Of course, this was years ago, perhaps it's not as prevalent now. But it says something about the mindset.

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JWs not so new format for getting across their message . . .

by Coded Logic in

god is going to fix everything.

you would just not believe how great he is going to make it.

it's going to be the greatest.

Spiral

OMG that just made my afternoon!!!

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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

by millie210 in

i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

Spiral

I do see a parallel between the Catholic Church collecting properties and monies and becoming rich (forget that vow of poverty idea) and then becoming the one and only approved faith (or, the one and only "true" faith in our time). It was a struggle for them in the first couple of centuries.

I also think the religious side of the org is a cover for the business side - a real estate and investment pyramid scheme. Only, in this scheme, the income only flows in one direction - up.

Does anyone remember the phone card MLM scheme that was so prevalent say, 25 years ago? The phone cards were expensive, and they weren't important, because the real deal was buying a spot in this pyramid and making some $$$$. The product didn't matter. Alot of JWs fell for it.

I think the org is like that now - the product (religion, feel good, you're gonna be in paradise) is not as important as the income flow. Plenty of people (even in New York) try to ignore the obvious fact that the org is now mostly a real estate investment scheme/franchise.

And yes, Warwick=Vatican.

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Just wondering ....

by talesin in

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there are many new posters here, and i'm very interested to learn why you chose your screen names.. .

one book i read, the mists of avalon, was very important to me.

among the main characters was merlin, who in the book, was called "taliesen".

Spiral

Images of spirals have been around since humanity started, many cultures use it in their art. It's in nature and in math.

So by JW standards it would have to be a pagan symbol. Sold!

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JW.org videos....look like....

by Anders Andersen in

.... i just looked through some videos on the scientology and the mormon youtube channels.animated whiteboard animations, bad acting, compelling music...it's all the same as jw.org...or the other way around.the similarity is very striking to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghjomvjadbghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxf3pwvjoka.

i wonder why that is....

Spiral

sparrowdown31 minutes ago

Same shit different assholes.

Same kool-aid different flavour.

Same mind-mushing propoganda different cult.

...I could go on all day with this, it's quite fun....

Love it.

Sad thing is, all the JWs I know think the society has the best website ever! Nothing else compares to it!

Really, people??????

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Cover of the September 2016 Watchtower.

by jwfacts in

the cover of the 2016 september watchtower has an islander couple preaching.

the brother looks like he may be fijian in a traditional skirt standing in a river, doing a presentation on an apple ipad.

i can't imagine there are many families that can afford an ipad in the pacific islands.

Spiral

Photoshopped, and more than a little..... ugh. I think the GB thinks everyone likes to watch cartoons. They treat all their followers like how they think children want to be treated.

As mentioned elsewhere, creeeeeeepy!