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  My Dad wants to study with me

  by BlackWolf in

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  so my parents continue to pester me about getting baptized.

  the other day my dad told me that i was old enough to make a decision, and was wondering why i wasn't ready (assembly is in a few weeks) so i told him calmly that i have many doubts and if i were to get baptized it has to be 100 percent my idea.

  he was a little annoyed by this, and now wants to study the "is there a creator that cares about you" book (which is complete bs) with me.

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  Spiral

  So sorry Black Wolf that you are going through this. As a son, and almost 18, I'm sure your Dad is feeling pressure within himself that you need to be baptised to make him look good.

  Alas, sometimes as parents we THINK we are doing something for the benefit of our children, but in fact it is for OUR benefit. I feel this is the case, he just wants to look good in front of the congregation. He has anger issues because he feels he looks bad .....

  But that is HIS problem. You shouldn't get baptised and shouldn't feel pressured. Of course, you do feel pressured. I am hoping you have a plan when you turn 18 (and PLEASE may it include higher education!!!!!)

  The truth of the matter is there's not much you can do to ease your Dad's discomfort, but in the end, you can't mess up your life to make him feel better.

  Do whatever you need to do to survive in some comfort until you can be independent. Your Dad may come around in time, but he may not. But, as I said, it's his problem not yours.

  I am a mother and when Son of Spiral said "No way!" it woke me up (totally). Perhaps it will happen that way with your parent(s). I really hope so, but your choice is YOUR choice.
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  Bro Knorrs Notes RE Disfellowshipping & Two Witness Rule

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi guys.

  a fellow ex jw shared this with me.

  haven't time to read them yet (i'm using my phone to go on internet).

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  Spiral

  Yes, the "local needs" talk following (or just preceeding) the DF announcement made it quite clear what the "crime" was. I remember that, even as a child/teenager. I also remember one occasion when the brother giving the talk got a little out of hand with the details...... it really stirred a scandal.

  Ridiculous.
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  The JW governing body are all overweight, creepy looking little men

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  having seen a few of these tv productions and some youtube clips of their assembly parts, how can jehovah's witnesses really take these silly little men seriously?.

  you take one look at them; their overweight, fat little bodies.

  their entirely shabby, overhanging suits.

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  Vidiot - Yes, I just can't figure out how anyone watches it..... really! So painful. Anyone who has observed how religion has controlled the disadvantaged and desperate (which, supposedly, the JWs have) should look at that and cringe. I agree, bOrg TV really exposes what they are.
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  2 questions about Warwick

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  i have two questions about warwick.

  see the picture included.

  1) at the other side of the lake you see other buildings.

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  Spiral

  @Vidiot, I guess you are right, how scary is that thought!
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  The JW governing body are all overweight, creepy looking little men

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having seen a few of these tv productions and some youtube clips of their assembly parts, how can jehovah's witnesses really take these silly little men seriously?.

  you take one look at them; their overweight, fat little bodies.

  their entirely shabby, overhanging suits.

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  Spiral

  Yes, yes, yes. The first time I saw bOrg TV I was just appalled..... ok, I had been out for quite a while, but the whole effect is fundie-creepy!!! It made me see the bOrg in a whole new, ugly, sticky, creepy light.

  If I hadn't faded/left already, that would have pushed me out the door.
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  2 questions about Warwick

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  i have two questions about warwick.

  see the picture included.

  1) at the other side of the lake you see other buildings.

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  Spiral

  Hi Bohm, I can imagine that before the downsizing they could say this was all needed, and it may make sense to build as planned.

  Hi Barrold, from the $$$$ standpoint it all makes sense (real estate, the best investment).

  But - So many publishers out in the "field" who don't know, I just am wondering what they think is going on? As they sacrifice and live a "simple" life, while the bOrg builds these extensive properties, for what? Of course, it's obvious, they are making profits for just a few to enjoy.

  But, alas, I see that the average publisher doesn't even question what is going on. Meanwhile, the bOrg is making money on real estate, and the income all flows uphill to the GB.

  Sad, really.
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  Sisters running microphones?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so our sunday meeting was on the 25th (christmas) and my active jw wife and i were out of town enjoying some family time with relatives.. apparently there were many others in our congregation that missed as well.

  so few were there in fact that sisters ran the mics.

  (actually it was a sister running one of the two mics) a friend of my wife commented to her about how the brothers just aren't stepping up and it "makes her want to cry.

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  Spiral

  Way back in the day, when desperate, the congregation would have to let sisters do various "duties/privileges" (gag). I remember as a small child (late 60s, early 70s) sometimes the sisters would have to read at the bookstudy or at the WT study, as no qualified brother was in attendance. The sister who read had to sit in the audience because she couldn't be on the stage with the conductor (again, gag). At the bookstudy we would take turns reading.

  This was humiliating to any brother that was there but was then outed as "not qualified" because he wasn't used, being on private reproof or whatever.

  Meanwhile, at our book study, several would comment how great it was to let the sisters read. Sadly, the usual "qualified" brother had reading difficulties (remember, this was in the day of the Babylon book and several others that took some skill and vocabulary to read properly - not the fluff stuff they produce today). It made the book study drag along (worse than normal). If everyone read, at least it went faster. (BTW, looking back I feel sorry for that brother now because I'd bet you $5 he was dyslexic or something like that and didn't know, he was really embarrassed by his lack of "skill".)

  As for the territory servant sister, I've seen that too, under cover of "assisting" a brother who couldn't keep records well (often the husband).

  I wouldn't be surprised if this starts happening again, as the younger generation is less interested in this kind of religion. I wish I had thought about all this more when I was young!
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  2 questions about Warwick

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i have two questions about warwick.

  see the picture included.

  1) at the other side of the lake you see other buildings.

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  Spiral

  I also have a question about Warwick. If they aren't printing much literature any more, what are they telling the R&F all of this is for? If you don't need printing any more, how do they justify building a compound of this size? Is the TV studio that big? (Not to mention everything else they are building.)
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  Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses Holds Women Back

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/jehovahs-witnesses-women-religion-serena-williams-news-81664/.

  by lydia segebrecht december 16, 2016. an open letter to serena williams about jehovah’s witnesses’ treatment of women.. dear serena,.

  i want to start by applauding everything you said in your open letter that was reproduced on the guardian website last week.

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  @ A Believer - that means nothing if the men control everything and they think you are a "weaker vessel".
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  Jehovah is unjust (outrageous article on slavery in last WT for public)

  by Master_Bob in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the last paragraph of the article entitled "escape from slavery—then and now" (wt#2, 2017).

  jehovah god felt grieved by the harsh treatment of israelite slaves in egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.. .

  if you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during moses time also "injustice"?

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  Spiral

  Among many things, this has always bothered me about what churches teach, and certainly what JWs teach.

  Jehovah is bothered by many things, he looooooves you all, he haaaaates wickedness.

  But - God seems (to me) to like to watch it, test people, let all sorts of horrible things happen. How does this demonstrate that he loves humanity? I have just never seen it. Yes, there was a "ransom" (what is that, really, and why is that really needed?) but nothing comes of any of his efforts to put down wickedness. It's always later, tomorrow, next generation, then God will do something. "Wait, let's test more people and see if they will be "loyal" to me." God seems to be saying. How is this okay?

  That is why I am now an athiest.

  As for the JWs, they read this stuff and think, Jehovah hates slavery! He hates injustice! He hates abuse! Look how he loves us!

  How on earth could anyone come to that conclusion?