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  What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

  by millie210 in

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  i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

  comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

  some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

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  I do see a parallel between the Catholic Church collecting properties and monies and becoming rich (forget that vow of poverty idea) and then becoming the one and only approved faith (or, the one and only "true" faith in our time). It was a struggle for them in the first couple of centuries.

  I also think the religious side of the org is a cover for the business side - a real estate and investment pyramid scheme. Only, in this scheme, the income only flows in one direction - up.

  Does anyone remember the phone card MLM scheme that was so prevalent say, 25 years ago? The phone cards were expensive, and they weren't important, because the real deal was buying a spot in this pyramid and making some $$$$. The product didn't matter. Alot of JWs fell for it.

  I think the org is like that now - the product (religion, feel good, you're gonna be in paradise) is not as important as the income flow. Plenty of people (even in New York) try to ignore the obvious fact that the org is now mostly a real estate investment scheme/franchise.

  And yes, Warwick=Vatican.
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  Just wondering ....

  by talesin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are many new posters here, and i'm very interested to learn why you chose your screen names.. .

  one book i read, the mists of avalon, was very important to me.

  among the main characters was merlin, who in the book, was called "taliesen".

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  Images of spirals have been around since humanity started, many cultures use it in their art. It's in nature and in math.

  So by JW standards it would have to be a pagan symbol. Sold!
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  JW.org videos....look like....

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .... i just looked through some videos on the scientology and the mormon youtube channels.animated whiteboard animations, bad acting, compelling music...it's all the same as jw.org...or the other way around.the similarity is very striking to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghjomvjadbghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxf3pwvjoka.

  i wonder why that is....

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  sparrowdown31 minutes ago

  Same shit different assholes.

  Same kool-aid different flavour.

  Same mind-mushing propoganda different cult.

  ...I could go on all day with this, it's quite fun....

  Love it.

  Sad thing is, all the JWs I know think the society has the best website ever! Nothing else compares to it!

  Really, people??????

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  Cover of the September 2016 Watchtower.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the cover of the 2016 september watchtower has an islander couple preaching.

  the brother looks like he may be fijian in a traditional skirt standing in a river, doing a presentation on an apple ipad.

  i can't imagine there are many families that can afford an ipad in the pacific islands.

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  Photoshopped, and more than a little..... ugh. I think the GB thinks everyone likes to watch cartoons. They treat all their followers like how they think children want to be treated.

  As mentioned elsewhere, creeeeeeepy!
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  JWs Letters Target Recently Bereaved

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  current media attention in new zealand is focusing on the case of a woman whose male friend died three months.

  she received a handwritten letter personally addressed to her and her deceased friend with a series of questions about what happens after death.

  the woman was furious and, accompanied by news media, door-knocked the address provided by the letter writer.

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  Dagney2 hours ago

  They are so removed for normal, human emotions they cannot see how creeeepy this really is.

  Eeewww.

  I have asked this question. The response? "Well, don't people want to know their loved ones aren't in heaven?"

  Really????

  
  

  
  
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  JWs Letters Target Recently Bereaved

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  current media attention in new zealand is focusing on the case of a woman whose male friend died three months.

  she received a handwritten letter personally addressed to her and her deceased friend with a series of questions about what happens after death.

  the woman was furious and, accompanied by news media, door-knocked the address provided by the letter writer.

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  *** yb95 p. 47 Worldwide Report ***
  

  Now 94, she is still busy witnessing. Recently she completed a year of auxiliary pioneer service. She is able to walk a little with a cane—enough to take advantage of the opportunities presented when neighbors, friends, relatives, salesmen, postmen, or anyone else calls. Still she has to do most of her witnessing with a pen. She finds names and addresses in the obituary columns in the daily paper and writes to some of these. How happy she is when replies of appreciation come!

  I don't ever remember hearing any of the letter writers getting a response, much less "replies of appreciation".
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  JWs Letters Target Recently Bereaved

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  current media attention in new zealand is focusing on the case of a woman whose male friend died three months.

  she received a handwritten letter personally addressed to her and her deceased friend with a series of questions about what happens after death.

  the woman was furious and, accompanied by news media, door-knocked the address provided by the letter writer.

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  Yes, back "in the day" writing letters to families from obituary ads was common place. At one point in our congregation a change was made in procedure, to put the KH address as the return address, in case the person was upset (they wouldn't know where you lived). Eventually, the letters were written but only signed as "from your neighbor" or "from the local congregation of JWs" or something like that.

  I can remember passing out tracts at cemeteries too, which seemed really inappropriate to me when I became an adult.
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  My 2016 RC Experience

  by wannabefree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm at the water park with my five year old in green bay.

  she was so happy to be spared another boring day like she endured at thursday's propaganda feast with her mother.

  after breakfast we drove by the convention site.

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  If you use the old lingo they know you're a fader or "apostate".
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  Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.

  poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

  the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..

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  As Dreamerdude pointed out, hard to control the brothers and keep them in line if you don't offer that title as a reward. But reducing what control the local brothers have in "congregation matters" could help streamline things into the mega church they want to become. If they could make that work, they'd love it.
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  FYI My JW mom and Alzheimer's

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one year ago today my mom passed away.

  she was 91 years old.

  it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.

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  Hi Scary, I am taking care of my mother who has some sort of dementia or ALZ or whatever.... Hard to tell but it's just one day at a time. She's not "way out there" in her behaviour (yet, anyway) so I can't compare my experience to yours except to say you have my total respect and sympathy in what you have experienced and dealt with. I've already seen that my mother can turn on a dime and I realize that dementia patients often turn on those trying to help them.

  In my case, my mother never paid much attention to her children so there's not really a close relationship to lose. In the end, perhaps that will make it easier on me, I don't know at this point. The JW nonsense made no difference in her relationships whatsoever.

  And I see that the caregiver can't win - if you move them, they can become upset, if you leave them in their home you could just as easily be accused of being neglectful, keeping them where they can't cope.

  Please know that you both did all you can to the best of your ability, that is more than so many ALZ patients get in the end.