Posts by Spiral

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The coordinator of cong visited me last night

by Chook in

he ran into me a work and asked could he come , i said only if you're by yourself and don't wear company garb.

3 hours later and i might as well talked to myself.

i used every illustration and persuasive argument.

Spiral

Good for you! They need to hear a bit of "reality", even if it doesn't stick.

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chasing me for a report

by Phoebe in

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i'm fairly new on here and i've told a lot of my story but to recap, after 60 odd years i've stopped going to the meetings.

my husband had already left the truth years ago and my children didn't become jws.(phew!).

i had a horrendous childhood growing up as a witness which included sexual assault by a close relative, also a jw.

Spiral

Phoebe, I have so much respect for you, what you've had to deal with. I am sure the reporting of time (SERIOUSLY????) is the last straw for you, of course!

Why not report 200 hours for each month? Obviously bogus and untrue. But, when were the elders ever interested in truth?

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so everyone is supposed to get all excited about the invitation work starting tomorrow, according to the announcement from the platform.. maybe this makes sense if you're giving out invitations in the city where the convention is, but what if you're many hours away?.

a huge part of western canada is scheduled to attend edmonton alberta this july.

so how does that go over giving out invitations in winnipeg, about a 13 hour drive(that's just driving time).. i know some are actually planning on flying there, so i can't see getting excited about getting the public to make the trek.. i was curious how this is going over in other areas?.

Spiral

It doesn't, but it keeps the worker bees busy. Here locally we are 3 hours away from the convention site. I am sure no one who received an invitation will drive down and attend. Funny how no one puts that together.....

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New Letter CONG 06/20/2017

by Edison Trent in

a new letter became available.

i got it from a friend of mine in a german congregation.

he told me the book is not available until now, because the revised bible haven't been released in german.. to all congregations.

Spiral

@ttdtt - what a riot this whole love hate relationship with the internet, tablets, and websites is. I can remember getting criticized for having a job that involved being on the computer and internet a lot (this was the early days, needless to say I didn't quit) because Satan was going to take over my brain, blah blah blah

Fast forward a decade or so when I was out and happy, I come back to take my Mom to meeting and she's upset people have stuff (i.e. ipads, etc.) and she doesn't have one or understand what's going on. She had been so "righteous" because she didn't know anything about the internet or computers and that really bit her in the backside. I bought her a ipad and we take that thing to EVERY meeting we go to EVEN THOUGH SHE'S CLUELESS just because I want to make a statement. (OK, and maybe it's partly "my mom with dementia has a better ipad than you" but anyway......) That's quite Christian of me, I think, and I learned it at the KINGDOM HALL

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The most dangerous congregations are the isolated ones that only have 1 or 2 elders

by Chook in

the elders only have to fake it for cos visit, then the poor sheep get shorn for anther 6 months and just when publisher billy thinks the co will save their souls from these tyrants elders a new co comes onto the seen, and of course he is trained only to listen to the elders.

so the vicious cycle of religious rape continues until billy and his mates burnout..

Spiral

We went to one small town congregation where Stalin was the PO and it was horrible. Maybe 45 publishers, just a miserable place to be. That was the start of my way out the door. Stalin managed to DF the only other alpha male brother one year and that just made things worse. He moved and is now inflicting his special brand of misery on another small, rural congregation.

Here where my Mom is now is also a small rural congregation. Years ago when we were here it was surprisingly progressive with a lot of more sophisticated business owners, etc., but one particularly onerous CO put an end to most of the good mojo going on. Now it's just sad. No education, no business people, no prospects, just a wreck. Fairly nice people though, but messed up and distracted, so they don't fuss with me at all. (There's a plus.) The older ones that I still know I still try to visit and help out (they are all old and sick) which I would do for anyone.

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1975 EX JW Critical Thinkers video.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone.

jt and lady cee have posted an awesome video about 1975, its very interesting.. check it out, i just watched it and its great.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6nocaq0x-8 .

cheers wgo..

Spiral

Spot on! I didn't know about the 7000 year creative day teaching going away.... learn something new every day.

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New Letter CONG 06/20/2017

by Edison Trent in

a new letter became available.

i got it from a friend of mine in a german congregation.

he told me the book is not available until now, because the revised bible haven't been released in german.. to all congregations.

Spiral

@pale.emperor, does anyone know what the differences are between the Greatest Man Book and this new book?

Again, older people or ones who can't afford or learn to use a tablet are left behind. Funny how this is all working out.

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Gog of Magog - Watchtower says it has two identities

by Listener in

the searcher started a topic addressing the gt, a comment from sparrowdown asked an interesting question -.

"...the political powers of satan's world will form a coalition..."that's the statement that interests me.

what are they alluding to?.

Spiral

This kind of s**t made my head hurt when I was in..... now it's just beyond ridiculous.

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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message

by Funchback in

i'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).

then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .

Spiral

I think there's more to it now: it's to deconstruct the adult in the JW. Everyone has to be the same, down to the same type of suit, skirt (check that length, sisters!), type of job (education limits help create this) and basically any other individualization.

Now that I am forced to attend on occasion, I just see a lot of robots in sad clothing, with the same types of jobs and circumstances, depressed outlooks, basically "file folder tan" type of people.

Perhaps with the space of not attending for a decade this has become obvious, but I really think the "org" is making a real effort to keep everyone in line, in a very narrow space of being.

Mr. Spiral looks great in a beard, BTW. Haha.

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Interesting Take on Vows

by konceptual99 in

so yesterday was the wt on vows.. it spoke, in part about two vows.

the vow you make in dedication and the vow of marriage.

here's how it describes them.. the most important vow that a christian can make is the one with which he dedicates his life to jehovah.

Spiral

The whole thing is messed up on a practical level. We all know JWs who are on their second or third marriages, elders included.

Baptising children used to be almost unthinkable (it's gone back and forth) but if they can't buy alcohol or drive they certainly shouldn't be making a lifelong vow of any sort - baptism or marriage. Ever. It's just ridiculous.

The whole thing is just a set up for failure. But the high emotion/trouble/failure/confess your sin/beg for forgiveness/back into favor cycle is a part of the control of the JWs. Ask a JW why this is a healthy way to live and you'll get a blank stare, or they'll run out the door.