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  WTS Carts Have Competition

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2019/09/in-virginia-american-atheists-upstage-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  according to american atheists, their organisation had received multiple complaints that the jws were proselytising outside various government facilities.. said aa’s virginia state director larry mendoza:.

  we would rather that government property be free of religious speech altogether.

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  Spiral

  Awesome.
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  Article: Fresno, California JW elder sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  subject: fresno, ca jw elder sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl sept. 20, 2019 https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article235306577.html.

  fresno, ca church elder makes plea deal in sex abuse case | the fresno bee.

  a 45-year-old fresno man, who worked as a police dispatcher in madera, pleaded no contest on friday to charges he sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl from his church.

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  Spiral

  Interesting, this:

  "Fresno police began investigating Ramos after receiving an anonymous tip."

  Maybe, just maybe, someone in the congregation got smart and bypassed the elders (and the "holy spirit") and went straight to the police. I hope that starts a trend.
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Came to My Neighborhood

  by Juan Viejo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for nearly two years i have not seen any jehovah's witnesses going door to door in my neighborhood.

  that was not the case when my wife and i first moved here (north central oregon).

  in fact, our neighborhood was visited at least once every 4 to 5 months - even in the coldest winter months.

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  Spiral

  I've had two door-to-door visits in 4 plus years. They don't hang around long, even when (TV going, door open) it's obvious someone is home.

  I once knew a pioneer sister who told me (and not in jest) that she started her time the minute she started putting her pantyhose on. Another I know gets up and immediately sends a text message to an "interested person" and then starts her time. Total time counted, several hours. Conversations, zero.
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  How Affected By Jehovah’s Witness News Are You At This Point In Your Life?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i’ve been out for many many years.

  i still like to know the latest jw news although i find myself not as excited by things..

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  Spiral

  Personally not at all, but I do keep an eye out for "new light" and changes, because we still have family in and we need to know what's going on. Although, I don't know why, because most of the time they don't talk to us (especially the last few months) unless they need something. I do have a couple of longtime friends that are still JW, but they seem to know not to chat about "kingdom news" with me.

  @Magnum, I hear you. It's tough in the job market when you're 50+, and if you have no college, it makes it worse. The bOrg cost our generation a ton of money and opportunity. THAT'S part of why I keep up, it makes me feel better to see the craziness exposed.
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  Do You Have ALEXA?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what’s your opinion of having alexa ?

  is it something you would get if you don’t already have it?

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  Spiral

  Let's be honest, there is no real privacy these days....

  I have several Alexa devices. My mother (who has dementia) can still remember to ask her a few questions, and play her music. That, in itself, is priceless.

  I have the lights, etc., running through Alexa devices. This enables me to work while caring for my mother, and still be sane. I listen to music, news, and bluetooth my other apps (meditation, etc.) via Alexa.

  Meanwhile, my mother and her aides can also listen to the daily text, etc., via Alexa.

  The value for me far exceeds worrying about someone listening to my trivial conversations.

  So, I am a Alexa fan. Makes my life 200% easier.
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  Holy spirit indwelling

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it your understanding that any jw can have holy spirit indwell them or is that an experience a part of the anointing that the wt teaches is reserved for the 144,000?.

  please provide references if you can..

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  Spiral

  No, only the very special can have HS, namely the (really, truly, verified) anointed.

  The regular JWs have nothing, they just have to follow along.

  No references, just what I learned as a JW growing up.
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  Head Coverings for Women

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower's ignorance around the historical background to many biblical directives has had a very negative effect on the lives of witnesses.. for instance paul said women should cover their heads because in corinth prostitutes walked the streets plying for business with their heads uncovered.

  hence head coverings were never a symbol of headship but a directive very specific to that period, as was the blood directive!!.

  watchtower leaders have been lawyers, businessmen, civil servants and door-to-door book salesmen, never, ever historians or biblical scholars.

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  Spiral

  Well, there's no way of telling at this point in history if Paul even wrote all of that, and if so, in what context. He doesn't come across as someone who respected women as equals, but really we can't tell from this distance. Many writings were in circulation at that time under many different names. No way to verify anything.

  In any case, personally, it doesn't matter to me what was written or decided 2000 +/- years ago. I don't think anyone, man or woman, should be held to those rules, however they might be interpreted.

  That's the essence of it for me.
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  Money! How much did you "Contribute" To The WTB@TS When You Were A Member

  by The Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was in full time service for six years including bethel.

  once i got out of bethel, i figured i had already given them six of the best years of my life (ages 18-24) working as a slave/drone in their factory, so i rationalized that i had given them enough... so over the next 27 years i would say maybe $200 bucks is it.

  i think their whole "voluntary contributions" idea is biting them in the ass, because over all jehovah's witnesses are a cheap group people with a few exceptions.

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  Not much, we were always too poor to give much.
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  New HuB logo

  by MrHappy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the organisation has developed a new software for the coordination of nearly everything!

  i just want point out a few things i notice about the new hub icon logo.

  the image contains twelve pillars with the 2 at the front being the prominent.

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  Spiral

  Well, I don't know about all the Masonic theories, but I find it a bit creepy that they have software for reporting everything. Goodbye, happy little local congregations, hello overly controlling mega-church.
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  14 kids from the same old congregation

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this week, while talking with some old friends, i realized that there were at least 14 kids from a congregation in which i grew up that all left the jws.

  that is, 30 to 35 years ago, there were at least 14 kids going to the hall that were of the same “generation” (5 to 13 years old).

  in the last 30 years, they have all left “the truth”.

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  Spiral

  I know - Jehovah's "happy people" are wrecks. I'd like to know how many people from my generation are still in, but none of us are in touch. (Well, actually, that's not true, one turned in to a rabid elder who emailed from time to time. We ignored him and he stopped.)

  
  

  Looking at a congregation today and tell them that most of their kids will not stay in?

  Where I am right now they do know - but no one's discussing it. Head in the sand to the end!