Posts by Spiral

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What can a therapist really do?

by Thetruthhurts in

hi all, i've not read the forums for awhile as i've been trying to move on with my life but i'm back and posting for the first time feeling like i cant get a grip.

so i'm wondering for those of you that have seen a therapist and say that it truly helps, what can be accomplished?

i'm just really skeptical, but starting to feel desperate.

Spiral

I've been working with a person who does "psych-K'. It's a bit woo-woo (if you haven't explored mindfulness training) BUT the best part is they work on beliefs you've got stored in your subconscious that sabotage you every day. Very effective when you're trying to detox from the bOrg. If you google it you can find books, articles, and someone who can help you. It's not cheap but you're not going for months before you get results.

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November 2019 Watchtower (Would love to hear the comments in the hall)

by pleaseresearch in

from the november 2019 watchtower study edition.. how many of you would like to know what the brothers and sisters would respond to this question.

also, if you went into a hall how would you like to respond to the question.. 8. how should we respond to lies?.

8 satan, “the father of the lie,” uses those under his control to spread lies about jehovah and about our brothers and sisters.

Spiral

I know several JWs who know someone who was abused by a JW relative (in these cases, also their relatives).

Are they saying all the victims are apostates, too?

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If anyone ever makes the claim that they don't focus on Money ALL the time...

by HiddenPimo in

i saw this mentioned on reddit but no link - i found the article form this weeks bible study..... in the “congregation bible study” part of the meeting this week there was a part that said and i quote: “only jehovah god and his son can receive someone into the heavenly kingdom or the paradise on earth under that kingdom.

we should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting kingdom interests”.

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Spiral

In the “Congregation Bible Study” part of the meeting this week there was a part that said and I quote: “Only Jehovah God and his Son can receive someone into the heavenly Kingdom or the Paradise on earth under that Kingdom. We should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting Kingdom interests”

So, apparently, according to the bOrg, the GB, Jesus, and Jehovah are all up for taking a bribe.

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I'll be speaking at Columbia University next weekend, meetup to follow....

by dubstepped in

so i'll be speaking on a panel as part of the "when rights and religions collide" event next saturday, october 19. if you'd like to attend you can learn more here:https://rightsandreligions.com/.

i'm also going to host a meetup on sunday if any of you are in the nyc area.

i'm still putting the finishing touches on the details but if you'd like to join in and meet myself, my wife, and a few people that listen to the shunned podcast or that are in my facebook group called by the same name shoot me a private message soon.

Spiral

Yes! Please keep us posted, and if there's anything recorded, I'd love to hear it.

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From ABC News - Australia

by no-zombie in

this morning, this article appeared on our national online news channel; the abc.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-10/jehovahs-witness-abuse-exposed/11561776.

no-zombie.

Spiral

I agree, I don't think back in the day they ever considered they'd be caught out on anything, much less child sexual abuse. And if they join the scheme, what will the publishers say? You'd have to be totally clueless not to understand that these events did happen and the bOrg is having to deal with the fact they did nothing at the time - wait, it's worse - they went into full denial mode. Plus, they really could care less about the victims. Publishing magazine articles proves nothing.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave......"

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JW.Org data

by snare&racket in

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to think they have hung the blue and white sign on every building they own in the world and that this was a publicity campaign with the presumed backing of the god of the universe....... it's not going well.. despite the 8.5 million followers, who through design have to visit the site......it isn't even in the top ten..... top fifty..... top one hundred ......top two hundred visited sites globally.. users on average click through 7 pages per visit and don't stay long, averaging about a minute a page.. as for the data on its search over time 'jw.org' is now googled globally at a rate less than 25% of its peak and is usually associated for a search for the daily text.. .

between this and the carts, the only message getting through to real people is 'child abuse' and that woman from king of queens taking an interest!.

i sincerely think we are seeing evidence of what has been anecdotal decline...... waited long enough for it!.

Spiral

iwantoutnow:

Its a JW delusion like so many others.

I had a JW friend who is 1/2 in 1/2 out and still will talk to me tell me once "that JW.org is the envy of the world" (fyi he is a programmer and should know better), I had to take him to task on it and ask him what evidence does he have to say that, and what about the site is any better than a nice blog.

Of course there was none and he recanted.

THAT sounds exactly what some of the JWs say here because that's the propaganda they've been fed. When I hear that sort of talk I just arch my eyebrow and say nothing. What's disturbing is that I can see not all of them are fooled but they still choose to repeat the nonsense.

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Interesting news - Supreme court throws out case against Watchtower.

by pleaseresearch in

so my mum sent me this link, i need to speak to her about how she feels about this.

maybe she didn't even read it.

but the website looks to pro jw.

Spiral

Where is this from? The spelling and grammar is way off.

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Where are the funds going to come from? Warwick Expansion

by HiddenPimo in

so with the news that they are remodeling patterson and expanding warwick, where are the funds going to come from?.

could this be a ruse like the need for thousands of kingdom halls proclaimed a few years back only to be replaced with the we realized the halls were not at capacity and the great sell-off began?.

maybe the hope is going to be that the sheep will give give give and then all of the sudden, after prayerful consideration the gb have determined that the current resources are sufficient to create the needed media and content.. my bet is that in 10 years it will all be consolidated to warwick and walkill and patterson will be sold to who i have no idea, but they own a ton of property in upstate ny..

Spiral

All those people of retirement age need a nice community with nursing services, to take care of them until they die. They'll call it an "expansion" to get donations, but I think a big part of it could just be feathering the nest for their "golden years".

Of course, the sheeple have nothing of the sort.

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New building

by asp59 in

you think the new building addition to warwick ,that will house 1000 audiovisual and art production volunteers is a push to go online with the meetings?

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Spiral

I wonder if they are sending people to school to learn these skills. Free education and training! (For the special ones.)

Meanwhile, the others are still cleaning windows and houses for their living.

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New building

by asp59 in

you think the new building addition to warwick ,that will house 1000 audiovisual and art production volunteers is a push to go online with the meetings?

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Spiral

The Fall Guy: Methinks the string-pullers within the WTBTS could be preparing to "restructure" the modus operandi of the cult. When something smells, expect changes.

If the org is going to survive as a realistic business, the dumbing-down of faithful JW's must continue, with continual warnings about the dangers of the internet and the media.

Yep, I smell a business model taking shape here, done at the expense of the average JW, who is clueless. They'll pay to build the infrastructure, and see nothing for it. Sad thing is, they'll all be excited about this privilege.