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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

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  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  I will address your arguments rather be in hades. I am preoccupied with Daniel's Prophecy at the moment.
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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  Can we please keep the thread on topic. I really do not wish to engage in a discussion about court documents/child abuse at this moment.

  Questions still unanswered for lurkers and those who do not have the desire to read through 11 pages:

  How can the anointed, immortal anointed ones who are not subject to the physical realm and its effects experience these things in a FUTURE SENSE.

  How can those who are immortal be guided to the fountains of waters of life?

  How will they 'no longer hunger or thirst or experience the heat from the sun' anymore when they have HEAVENLY, SPIRITUAL, IMMORTAL BODIES?

  How WILL God wipe out every tear from their eyes when they are already in heaven with incorruptible, immortal spiritual bodies?
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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  Questions that have gone unanswered:

  How can the anointed, immortal anointed ones who are not subject to the physical realm and its effects experience these things in a FUTURE SENSE.

  How can those who are immortal be guided to the fountains of waters of life?

  How will they 'no longer hunger or thirst or experience the heat from the sun' anymore when they have HEAVENLY, SPIRITUAL, IMMORTAL BODIES?

  How WILL God wipe out every tear from their eyes when they are already in heaven with incorruptible, immortal spiritual bodies?
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  Dear Recovery...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it is 3am here and i just finished reading your last post and even though i have to be up at 6am tomorrow morning (technically later), i felt obligated to login to jwn and write to you.

  i thought about saying many things.

  hurtful things.

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  Recovery

  I'm sorry I am just not inclined to believe Bethel tales about rape, murder, suicide, and things of that sort. I have many friends and family at Bethel, and have gone myself as a temporary volunteer and I will not be easily convinced of this negative horror cultish control slave-like factory it is painted to be.
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  Dear Recovery...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it is 3am here and i just finished reading your last post and even though i have to be up at 6am tomorrow morning (technically later), i felt obligated to login to jwn and write to you.

  i thought about saying many things.

  hurtful things.

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  Recovery

  I always enjoy your posts ChristAlone. You strike me as someone sincere and honest. I encourage you to post more frequently if you are able.
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  278

  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  I do not wish to engage in such a discussion about 1975/my personal life/1919/wrong teachings by the WT/Gilead/etc etc etc.

  When people attempt to go off topic, I will simply just repost the questions that continue to go unanswered.
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  278

  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  Can anyone answer these questions:

  How can the anointed, immortal anointed ones who are not subject to the physical realm and its effects experience these things in a FUTURE SENSE.

  How can those who are immortal be guided to the fountains of waters of life?

  How will they 'no longer hunger or thirst or experience the heat from the sun' anymore when they have HEAVENLY, SPIRITUAL, IMMORTAL BODIES?

  How WILL God wipe out every tear from their eyes when they are already in heaven with incorruptible, immortal spiritual bodies?

  This is directed to all those who hold the view that the great crowd is in heaven and not on earth.
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  278

  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  Yes, jwfacts claims to present the facts about Jehovah's Witnesses, so therefore everything on the website must be factual. On this forum we are encouraged to examine/scrutizine every little statement/picture in the WT publications, so I am simply holding the author to the same standards the members of this board hold the WT.

  As I said, discussing this website is very time efficient, as it contains most ex JW arguments from many sources consolidated into one.
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  Dear Recovery...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it is 3am here and i just finished reading your last post and even though i have to be up at 6am tomorrow morning (technically later), i felt obligated to login to jwn and write to you.

  i thought about saying many things.

  hurtful things.

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  Recovery

  I do not think that is fair ChristAlone. How would you know my attitude behind what I am saying? Especially if i'm not using derogatory and extremely insulting language that is often employed on this forum. It is not my viewpoint that the WT is 100% correct on everything and that everything that is in opposition to the WT must be false and is of no validation. If I thought that, do you really think I would have ever read jwfacts website. Or Towerwatch. Or jeffro's blog. Or Don Cameron's book. Or (as im the current process) of reading Ray Franz's books. Or watching AllTimeJeff's Youtube videos. Or reading all the stories on SilentLambs and also Barbara Anderson's website.

  It has everything to do with my OWN research. I am not your average JW who just reads the WT Publications and concludes that everything is 100% right. Because of my own doubts in the past I research and still am in the process of researching EVERYTHING. From the original greek texts to the references used in support of doctrine.

  I do not think that is a fair assessment of who I am, how I think, or how I act. Anymore than it is fair for me to call all apostates liars, mentally diseased, and so forth because that is not the case for many ex JW's.
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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Recovery

  Time is at Hand, 1916 edition. Opening forward:
  
  "Our mistake was evidently not in respect to the ending of the Times of the Gentiles; we drew a FALSE conclusion, however, not authorized by the Word of the Lord."
  
  9-1-83 wt
  "Although the Bible Students had elders and deacons (ministerial servants), FALSE religious ideasstill prevailed in some respects. Thus right into the 20th century elders were chosen by the congregations through a democratic voting process, indicated by a show of hands."

  The WT has admitted to reaching false conclusions and promoting false religious ideas. I am just waiting on jwfacts to admit the same. THAT'S the difference between the two.