can all indoctrination leave a person , or does it linger in background till death..
I think it will differ from person to person and will depend on the circumstances, and the length of time, to which they have been subjected to.
Some people will be able to move on and have no 'ill effects'. Others may have lingering 'scars'.
I sincerely hope that all who leave the Org will go on to have fulfilling lives.
NB: Flipper has given some excellent advice and well worth looking into / applying.
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
Good question P E;
Could be a combination of both; person(s) past and present within the WTBTS having knowledgeable of mind control and coercion techniques as well as trial and error over the years.
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Great post Konceptual99
Climb into a boxing ring and take on the current world heavyweight champion
is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?
if they are not jws then who are they?.
who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.
The WTBTS track record, IMO, proves that they are not what they claim to be.
With all their erroneous predictions of the end coming, flip flopping on certain doctrines, the blood issue, Malawi / Mexico debacle, covering up of paedophilia, criticising other religions on their philanthropy such as by their contributing to establishing hospitals and other numerous charities - whereas the WTBTS hasn't, to my knowledge, donated a single penny, UN NGO registration - yet they've been slagging off the UN in their publications for decades, the inhumane practice of shunning and by extension the destroying of marriages and families etc. (Others are welcome to add to the list as I'm sure I've left out many other issues).
So who are God's true worshippers on earth today? I don't know. One thing I do know is that the WTBTS is not.
less than 5 hours ago my great dad fell asleep the last time :( still in a bit of a shock and sad that i will not see him again...i promised myself that once he is here no more, i will somehow make my move out of this organisation who kept us all captive believing in a fantasy of an everlasting life :( i am in a tricky situation, since raised as jw, still in, married to an active jw, and pretty sure that all in my social and family circle will turn their backs on me if i finally say goodbye to a fairytail ;(.
@ Frezia - I too am sincerely sorry to hear of your loss.
Best wishes to you and your family.
Keep strong.
http://watchtowerdocuments.org/coping-with-shunning/.
by barbara anderson.
when my husband and i left the religion of jehovah’s witnesses (jws), we, like countless others, lost family members and friends because of the witnesses shunning doctrine.
Thanks for your post.
I too hope that someday you will be reunited with your son and daughter-in-law.
Keep up your excellent work.
oh this is just worth sharing!.
so , as many know, it has been two years since i have attended any meetings, conventions, etc....nothing...cold turkey.. the hassles and problems the elders threw our way were monumental....so many details i could share, but suffice it to say, we stood firm and kept our dignity and poise and reminded them of "appropriate boundaries ".
one elder in particular has since spared no effort in ensuring that malicious gossip and slander has been spread so that witnesses have avoided us like the plague!.
@ stuckinarut2
You showed this couple what any civilised person would do in coming to the aide of people in need.
Great job and well done.
if i mention "1984" you will probably think of george orwell and his book " 1984".however i think of "1984" as a year in my life when watford football club reached the f.a cup final.
( the f.a cup is the biggest footballing occasion in english sport, and my club " little watford" were in it) but instead of going to watch the game, i was forced by my dad to miss attending the match and prioritize on theocratic w.t study.. so for me the year 1984 was the year i should have woken up to " the truth about the truth" sadly it took another 30 years of generation and doctrinal change before this boy became " awake" and understood his defining moment and realized he was fooled by the w.t.. anyway 1984 was a long time ago, but today in 2016, i realized 1984 had a " modern day 2016 application" that happened last saturday, when i took my boy to watch my " little " watford play "mighty "manchester united" and we won 3.1. now it's wednesday and my boy and i are still on cloud 9, even orlandos school teacher started monday lessons by saying " well done watford ".
yes little watford outplayed and beat the mighty united.
I remember the 1975 debacle. My parents were first contacted and studied with the JW's about 1972 / 73. The book (orange in colour) that my brothers, sister and I studied was, if I remember correctly, titled; 'From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained.'
I was about 8 or 9 years old at the time. Too young to understand what it was all about however, I still remember clearly how the 'end' was supposed to come in 1975.
Fast forward to 2004 / 2005 - life for me was a treadmill - work, meetings field service, year in and year out. It became so monotonous that I was literally losing my mind. So many missed opportunities be it professionally and at home. In the end I became so disillusioned with it all that I had no option but to bail out - for my own sanity. It was then that I began my slow fade.
I have since advanced in my career, and on the homefront I'm much more relaxed and really enjoying life. Best decision I ever made.
well, hell!.
i had dizzy spells and near-fainting and nausea for a few days, so why wouldn't i start thinking about death, ya know?.
am i just very lax in my responsibilities in having no plans at all?isn't that irresponsible?
Am I just very lax in my responsibilities in having NO PLANS at all?
Isn't that irresponsible? Sure it is. .... TerryWalstrom
Yep; I'm ashamed to admit it however, I've made no plans in this regard.
I had better make arrangements now, rather than leave my immediate family in the lurch!
