Posts by IWant2Leave

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False members numbers

by asp59 in

is watchtower faking there member numbers?

i live in europe.

for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

There are probably 2-3 million P.I.M.O.'s like me who are reporting Field Service time, but not preaching the J.W. doctrine anymore. To keep family relationships and to keep the elders off of our backs, this is what P.I.M.O.'s are doing. Throw in about 1 million teenagers who are biding their time to leave and the number of J.W.'s drop drastically! I haven't made any type contribution now for about 2 years.

I realized years ago that headquarters was trying to prop up the numbers when older and infirmed could report as little as 15 minutes and be counted as a publisher. Now the C.O.'s are driving home the point that building work and L.D.C. duties are counted as sacred service.

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JWs who are now paying the price of following the cult.

by mickbobcat in

my in-laws are two such people.

people who pioneered and did not work and try to save, instead they made just enough to get by and waited for the end to come.

now my mil is in palliative care and the state is paying for her keep, my fil lives in a dilapidated home and can not keep it up.

IWant2Leave

I know of a fulltime pioneer sister, who became a J.W. after college. She turned town well paying jobs and did low paying, menial jobs. Pioneered over 40 years. She is now on government assistance, housing and the food stamp program. Gets the minimum social security and still has to work. Never married or had kids, and still tries to pioneer, even though she has health problems! But hey, Armageddon is right around the corner!

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Question

by Gorb in

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friends

what is the probability that a religious organisation is used for money laundering?

for example, large amounts of money are raised by the organization as a donation and then legally introduced into the financial system.

is there any chance that jw.org is used for this kind of purpose?

IWant2Leave

It's true that requests are denied even when repairs are desperately needed. At one K.H. the carpet was in desperate need of replacing and the requests were repeatedly denied. When W.T. cleaned out the local accounts, our congregation forwarded nearly $40,000 that we were saving for a building project.

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Just wondering

by Iamallcool in

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can someone with dementia get disfellowshipped?.

IWant2Leave

Yes someone with mental or emotional issues can be dealt with judicially. No one can make the Borg look bad and so they have to be dealt with! Our elder body years ago had a case where the sister exhibited multiple personalities. We were told to disfellowship the personality that got baptized and professed to being a J.W.

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How can you have a deficit for a Circuit Assembly on Zoom??

by pistolpete in

remember when after a circuit assembly the assembly overseer would come out right before the end of the assembly and make a special announcement;.

"brothers, we have a financial deficit of $5,000 dollars for our circuit assembly.

keep in mind that we have utilities and other expenses that need to be met.

IWant2Leave

At the Zoom Circuit Assembly a few weeks ago, it was obvious that the Assembly Overseer was embarrassed to make the announcement that there was a deficit. To add insult to injury the circuit sent about $5,000 surplus to headquarters from the last Zoom Assembly!

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1914 Questions

by sweetyj in

im not sure if this has already been asked here but i have some questions about 1914. if jesus arrived "invisibly" in the year 1914 why do the anointed partake of the emblems?

why didn't they stop in 1914?.

if jesus is ruling in heaven then why are the anointed still on earth?

IWant2Leave

Hi Atlantis! What format is Fred Franz' talk? I think I would like to have that.

Thanks.

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Will Christ Be Ashamed To Claim P.IM.O.'s?

by IWant2Leave in

i started my fade about two years ago and at present i have no intention of writing a disassociation letter.

the pros and cons of being p.i.m.o.

have been discussed on this forum many times.

IWant2Leave

I am a P.I.M.O. I started my fade about two years ago and at present I have no intention of writing a disassociation letter. The pros and cons of being P.I.M.O. have been discussed on this forum many times. But for us flying under the radar, going along with W.T. teachings when we really don't believe, so that we can keep our family relationships, are we being cowards? Do you think that the Christ will disown us before his Father?

(Mark 8:38)

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Watchtower More Important than the Scriptures

by Vanderhoven7 in

mack moore ex-jw recovery writes:.

yes, that is how they want people to esteem the magazine.

they believe it is the unique mouthpiece of god.

IWant2Leave

This is so true that J.W.'s feel that the W.T. and the publications trump the Bible. On a judicial committee, as an elder, I brought in a scripture that I thought had a bearing on the case. My fellow elder told me that he didn't care what the scripture said, that he was going by what the Shepherd the Flock and the Watchtower had to say on the matter! Another instance is when I found out that the W.T. teaches that Christ is not the mediator for the other sheep. Reading the scripture concerning this at 1Tim 2:4, 5, it spoke to me, being of the other sheep, I felt that Christ is my mediator. My wife felt the same way as I did until she did research (if you can call it research) in the W.T. publications. She changed her mind and said that Christ is not her mediator.

I was an elder for 25 years, so I'm guilty of getting on the platform at the Kingdom Halls, Circuit Assemblies, and Conventions and quoting W.T. publications as the authority. "God forgive me!"

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Any signs that Kingdom Halls will re-open soon or door to door work will re-start again?

by eyeslice in

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friends

i've not heard anything from pimi wife about going back to the khs yet let alone the door to door work.. many churches round here have re-opened if only for private pray and i am guessing that things like singing may be a factor in the reluctance of the witnesses to get back together again.

i also detect that many older ones are still quite afraid to go anywhere they may come in contact with people, even for shopping.

on the other hand, here in uk you can now go to a football match with 70,000 others shouting and chanting.. the door to door work may a total different issue.

IWant2Leave

Some JW's in my area have refused to get the shot. A 50 something year old JW died just a few days ago, she was not vaccinated. Older ones are still very afraid and cautious. Some JW's have expressed that they will not be going back before 2022, even if the halls reopen this year. I have heard elders around here say it won't be before Nov 2021 when the KH's reopen, and this was before the Delta and the Mu strain of the virus. Things may have been pushed back even further. Circuit Assembly is via Zoom in a few weeks.

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Anyone have an obvious gay or lesbian in the congregation?

by mickbobcat in

when i was a kid we had a kh with a basement and this guy joe winestien lived in it.

he has passed away i believe.

he was about 24 and used to hang around the young boys.

IWant2Leave

I’ve known several. Some even went to Bethel, but got kicked out for watching gay porn and starting a romantic relationship with another brother. I know an elder who has admitted being gay but is fighting it. I know of an elder years ago that got caught with another gay man. The elder was a married man, his wife had a nervous break down after this became known.

Decades ago a sister could not divorce their husband if they were having a relationship with a man or even practicing bestiality. It was not considered grounds for a scriptural divorce.