Posts by Simon

if some one sends him $150 he "might" put their name in the new book's acknowledgments. At the time I didn't think much of it, now I realize that screams "unprofessional amateur."

Not only is it amateurish but all you get is a "might"? You don't even get any guarantee for your money? Probably because he'd happily take enough contributions that it would require the whole book just be mentions if he could.

Most especially don't try to make it a paying job. First of all, I don't think there's enough money in it. I also think it raises too many conflicts of interest.

I forget where, but I once read something about a trap for activists being where they easily become dependent on the thing they are supposedly against. Do they then genuinely want to see its demise, given that they rely on its existence for their own and for funds to flow to them? So they end up in a kind of symbiotic / parasitic relationship instead.

A lot of government agencies end up like this, never solving the very problems they are supposedly created to solve, often contributing to them instead.

The other easy trap to fall into is not having enough material, or anything new to report on. At that point it's tempting to make things up, and invent things so you can put out content, again, to keep the money coming in. He's already done this, and it only takes a few unjustified claims and allegations to really undermine and weaken other potential charges you make against something.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

I’m actually happy to hear that he’s “sexually repressed”. Repressed implies there’s something bigger is just waiting to bust out. If this is repressed, I shudder to think of what lies underneath.

Although he hasn't done much to suppress any of his behavior at any point in his life from the accounts even he tells. He seems to love writing about and talking about what he does with his dinky-winky (I think that's what his Thai girls probably call it).

It looks like he's simply done whatever he wants at every opportunity, his only complaint being when he gets caught. That's when he's come up with the "suppression" claim, and the even wilder claim that "he's had his sexuality tampered with" which is a bit hyperbolic, and a massive insult to those who've lived through genuine sexual abuse.

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The Lloyd Evans Sex Scandal is our Business

by annihilator in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82evcjfybm.

Simon

Yes, it's income, otherwise employers and employees could skirt payroll takes by paying through donations.

Whether he does or not ... who knows. He's lied to everyone else, why should the taxman be treated any different? LOL

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

The whole "I was repressed" thing is just an excuse to try to absolve himself of any responsibility.

Anything he does wrong is always someone else's fault, never his.

As you say, he was never really repressed, because he was doing these things while he was a JW, and an elder, and lots of people (not just JWs) had similar upbringings and it didn't make them grubby little perverts that behave like animals.

"how can I be expected to have mastery of my penis" must be about the lamest thing that can ever come out of a guys mouth.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

The EVANS GATE CULT

That was genuinely LOL material, for real.

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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

by raymond frantz in

the problem is where do we go from here?

lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

Simon

But recently it's very obviously been about money and quantity rather than quality....such as those silly sushi videos. Quick 5 minute dopamine hits of "why I'm right"for exjws to make 'em feel better. Or people phoning in asking inane questions with equally inane and obvious answers.

Exactly - and this is the problem with turning the activism into a business. What happens if the WTS doesn't do anything? You still want to release content, and so you start inventing things instead of reporting things.

we will be branded with the same colours as him and we will be alot less credible with him around, I believe anyone who into YouTube activism should publicly distance themselves from him.

I disagree. I think it's clear to anyone who wants to look that we're certainly not part of whatever group he thinks he speaks for. We are well clear of him. But yes, anyone who wants to keep their credibility has to distance themselves from him, or you'll be seen to be condoning his lifestyle and behavior.

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The Lloyd Evans Sex Scandal is our Business

by annihilator in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82evcjfybm.

Simon

He has been using sex workers for 4 years every 3 months.

Everybody lies to some degree but manipulators trying to cover up things lie the most egregiously of all.

It's like when a government says they only broke their own lockdown restrictions on one odd occasion ... and then it comes out that it was a regular weekly occurrence.

I take the "every 2-3 months for 4 years" to be the very minimum that he's willing to admit to. Maybe it's a carefully crafted number - enough to show his "struggles, weakness, and mental anguish", but not enough to turn off the donation tap. That wasn't the video of someone being totally honest with people. It was a manipulator putting on a show to diminish the consequences of his actions as much as possible.

If anyone thinks he isn't above lying to do that then I have a bridge to sell them.

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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

by raymond frantz in

the problem is where do we go from here?

lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

Simon

I think it's time for a re-evaluation for the exJW "community"

First, what does that word even mean? We're a diverse group of people with nothing at all in common other than we once belonged to a group who's membership believed they all had something in common.

But really, we don't, and never did.

People outside are the same inside, the same mix of good-eggs, rough diamonds, scallywags and toads. Use whatever euphemism for personalities as you want, all are there - good, bad, abusers, victims. People.

And of course people leave. At this point they either decide to go live their life or are still attached to the WTS.

Some decide that they are going to be the mighty one to finally topple-the-tower. But of course they won't, and never will.

Some decide that they need a constant diet of information reminding them that they are right to be on the outside (I often wonder if these people really fear they may be wrong, and long to return).

Some decide they they are over it but want to use their special knowledge and experience to help others to leave and to offer support.

All very different reasons and often personality types.

It takes a certain amount of 'drive' to make people want to do more than just move on, sometimes it can be healthy, other times not so much. I think a lot comes down to how much time you're spending and how much it takes over your life.

Personally, I think it's unhealthy to stay an activist exJW for too long. That doesn't mean everyone who does is mental, but some take it too far and it becomes your entire life. It's like any activism - when it acts as an impetus to assist others, it can be good and healthy, but when it becomes your entire life then it can be too much and unhealthy.

We've all seen cases where well known exJWs have, well, they've been notorious for being a bit unhinged. There are always those willing to applaud and support those "doing more", until the point they cross over a line and do something stupid, like pepper-spraying a couple of elderly JWs on the ministry. Then the "community" reflects and splits, because some want to go to war, total warfare, and the rest of us want to be part of the human race.

A particular risk is if we depend on the activism so much that we can't do without it. That is where Lloyd has ended up. He sees it as his job, a career. Does he really plan on doing this for the rest of his life? Who knows. He wasn't forced into it, it was his choice, but his behavior then impacts everyone else.

Well, maybe ... if you think you're part of one giant "community" they might.

Personally, I don't think there is one. There are some nice people, there are some not so nice people. I wouldn't want to be recognized as belonging to a group that contained unsavoury characters and does it make sense to identify with such a huge group with zero control of who does and doesn't belong or what they do?

I'm an exJW. It's simple an attribute that describes my past. It isn't membership of any group and I don't expected to support anyone in that group or commit to anything someone else in the group wants to do. The only "membership" I have is that I can voice support or criticism of anything someone in the group does, but then I can do that for anyone on the planet, so why do we imaging there really is any group? It's just people we've come across, due to our shared past.

My only hope is that people learn to be more critical. The same mix of people exist everywhere and that always includes bad-actors. The biggest danger is that people think they are the same, because they think they belong to some fictitious shared group, and they get suckered in and their standards eroded over time because they are addicted to being fed propaganda about the group itself being good, and the group they left being the enemy.

Time to move on people. The aim should always be to become an ex-exJW, or at least not get so involved in everything for such periods that it's effectively your life.