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  The "WE'RE ALL IMPERFECT" Theory.

  by pistolpete in

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  a recurring theme in this loyd deal is the we're all imperfect-----------excuse!.

  the "we're all imperfect" phrase, is an over used watchtower membership cliche, embedded in the minds of jws and anyone that leaves.

  in the real world, there is no such thing as "we are all imperfect".

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  "We're just imperfect men" is the governing body's get-out. It's a shame to validate their excuses isn't it?

  "I can't control my pee-pee" is the same justification that rapists and pedos use. I don't think it's valid.

  At what point does "oh, I'm imperfect" stop being a get-out-of-jail free card for any and all failures? Someplace before Himler and Hitler, right? We can agree on that? What about Jimmie Saville? So imperfect ... and I can hear the "but ... but ... but ..." objections, so keep dialing it back.

  Where is your line? Do you even have one? At what point do you stop making and accepting excuses for people? If you're moving the line to make allowances for someone, you don't really have a line at all. At some point, people behave like shits not because they failed, but because THAT IS WHO THEY ARE, THAT IS THEM LIVING HOW THEY WANT TO LIVE.
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  Australia's Religious Discrimination Act.

  by fulltimestudent in

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  this is an interesting and intriguing new law (or, it will be if enacted in its present form).. quote: "the proposed new religious discrimination act is intended to prevent a person from being discriminated against on the basis of their religion.".

  fair enough, but to get it through the house of representatives last night, the government accepted some changes.. the first draft (discussed last night) had a clause that may have impacted the rights of some gay and/or trans-sexual students at religious schools by allowing a religious school to expel such a student.

  last night the government was forced to accept changes that removed that possibility.

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  Where I disagree with Simon is that the Government should try to do something about the fact that groups preach people to shun the disfellowshipped ones and threaten their members with the same treatment if they don't do as they're told.

  I'm forever amazed that people don't think through the practicalities or consequences of government enforced association. I don't want to live in such a dystopian world.

  Don't look at what you think the law provides as a benefit, to us. Look at how such a rule could be used, and misused, in its entirety.

  Yes, they can shun us ... but maybe we want to shun them. Laws work both ways. What is the plan when uncle government is there with guns to make sure mommy and poppy cray-cray can have some me-time with the kids to tell them about the "one true religion"?

  Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
  
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  Australia's Religious Discrimination Act.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an interesting and intriguing new law (or, it will be if enacted in its present form).. quote: "the proposed new religious discrimination act is intended to prevent a person from being discriminated against on the basis of their religion.".

  fair enough, but to get it through the house of representatives last night, the government accepted some changes.. the first draft (discussed last night) had a clause that may have impacted the rights of some gay and/or trans-sexual students at religious schools by allowing a religious school to expel such a student.

  last night the government was forced to accept changes that removed that possibility.

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  Why can't government just piss off and let people live in any group based on any membership they want free from harassment for it? Why should other people have government backed power over them? For what purpose?

  If someone wants to believe that homosexuality is wrong, then why does anyone gay want to join in the first place? What's the point? It's just idiotic laws backed by aggressive activist groups who simply want to annoy others.

  Any group should be allowed to hold whatever views they want, and control the membership they want. Even if those rules are morally wrong, as long as they are not committing criminal acts against anyone, they are not being harmed.

  Not being admitted into a club is not damaging to anyone. If anything, being in a club that doesn't want you as a member seems like a worse situation to be in. The only clubs the government should be concerning itself with is are the ones it runs itself.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I'm quite sure that doing all the heavy lifting on our own was good for us.

  I agree. I did the same. I read, I learned, I digested it all. If you take the time to learn you don't need constant and repeated validation.

  It's like having a proper meal vs fast-food.

  Evans video feed is the fast-food of exJW'ism that's never really filling, and isn't really great for you either. But people get addicted to it and it's a profitable business to be in.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Posts now of Facebook messages from his wife's family back in 2017 with some fairly explicit stuff involving underage girls. On Twitter under The Vast Apostate Army.

  I think there may be a lot more info to come out.

  If what I read was true, he's well and truly done. It's bad. Like BAD bad. I think even the most ardent supporter would have to run away from him as fast as they can.

  If it is actually true, maybe all this "I have a legal team" act is a last ditch effort to try to stop things coming out. Because there's no sense to it otherwise - trying to scare people off from spreading information you have already confirmed in your own video? Doesn't add up.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  From legal counsel in Thailand

  His legal advice, after careful consideration of all matters pertaining to the previous events and video statement, was "me love you wong time, sucky-sucky five dollar!"
  
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  Counseling for Ex JW

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking that it would be very nice if the us government would be willing to fund ex jw counseling services all over the united states.

  i understand that many counselors do not really understand ex jw issues but we can educate them if we have additional funds, etc…if someone here is willing to write a letter to their local representative about it, that would be great!

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  You can fill people in very quickly - just say "it's a bit like the Amish" and they know the gist of it.

  Isolated group, cut-off from the outside, not allowed to join in with things like the rest of society.
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  Counseling for Ex JW

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking that it would be very nice if the us government would be willing to fund ex jw counseling services all over the united states.

  i understand that many counselors do not really understand ex jw issues but we can educate them if we have additional funds, etc…if someone here is willing to write a letter to their local representative about it, that would be great!

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  The therapists often don't understand why the person just didn't leave the group

  I suspect there are a lot of therapists who are simply not very good and only vaguely qualified in reality (I'm guessing it's more of a "registered" thing). It'a not a hard science after all.

  If someone doesn't understand something so basic, that many lay people know of, people should leave and find someone more competent. You shouldn't be there to train them IMO.
  
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  Analysing Lloyd Evans' latest statement

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/6dydulvugog.

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  Simon

  Please post it on one of the existing topics. We don't need more for each reply.
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  Counseling for Ex JW

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking that it would be very nice if the us government would be willing to fund ex jw counseling services all over the united states.

  i understand that many counselors do not really understand ex jw issues but we can educate them if we have additional funds, etc…if someone here is willing to write a letter to their local representative about it, that would be great!

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  Simon

  Is this a holdover of the "JWs are unique" thinking that JWs have?

  Because there really isn't anything that unique about the JW world or upbringing that requires "specialists in JW-ism" IMO.