Posts by Simon

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

Obviously it's worse if the Thai girls were 15 but to me it's still pretty bad even if they were 18.

It utterly spins my head that people don't get why a young girl in a poverty stricken country, coerced, enslaved or otherwise, being bought by a 40+ yr old man from a wealthy nation that claims to represent rape victims, is beyond sic

Exactly. I was thinking today about the trafficking stats someone posted earlier. I forget the exact numbers and which thread, but say it was something like 40%.

That means if you go to a random prostitute once you have a 40% chance that you are raping a trafficked girl. Or to put it another way, a 60% chance that you are not.

What if you go every 2 months for 4 years, i.e. 24 times? The chance of "missing" every time for those 24 visits is 0.60 x 0.60 x 0.60 ... 24 times, or 0.60 ^ 24 ... that comes out to 0.000004738381338, or 0.0004738381338%. Reversing it again, it's 99.9995261618662% probability that you raped a trafficked girl.

Obviously, this is just if you chose completely at random, but I think it shows that while you might kid yourself that you haven't really committed a crime, the reality is that I don't believe people are really capable of knowing for sure and the probability that they have goes up pretty quickly, whatever the exact figures are you put in.

The bottom line is, if you are a sex tourist going to areas where poverty and trafficking are a big problem then you shouldn't be surprised if some people think you are a low-life sleazy abusive piece of shit.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

That correct?

No, I think he moved back to his dad's congregation from another in the UK so daddy could take care of his mess (sex chats with "girls"), then he left the UK subsequent to that (because Elder powers don't work on the muggles in law-enforcement)

He was never Df'd for apostasy AFAIK, or else I would imagine he would have recorded it and made a big deal of it. So what he was Df'd for is probably something he doesn't want anyone to know about.

Otherwise, what possible reason could there be for someone who makes a career and income from ranting about the sins of the WTS for keeping his damning knowledge / bargaining chip about them secret?

One thought might be that whatever it was, it maybe involved him ... and "girls" again?

BTW: I believe that "the girls that are definitely older than 20" were the Thai prostitutes, not necessarily other "girls".

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Yeah, but Lloyd is white.

Yeah, LOL

But it boils down to certain crimes being higher priority than others, and "how much work is this going to be vs chance of success" definitely playing a factor.

Even with the most serious of crimes, the police aren't great, let's be honest. They are often outright useless even with glaringly obvious evidence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59576717

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/10/mets-failings-contributed-to-deaths-of-stephen-ports-victims-inquest-finds

So do I think "evidence has been given to the police" will achieve much? I don't have much confidence, even if it was clear and obvious, they'd still find a way to screw it up.

The police in real life are not at all like the police in detective shows.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

We attended the 50th anniversary of a couple that have been friends of the family for years. (I even dated one of their daughters.) At the party we learned she was 65 years old and he was 75 years old. That means at the time of their marriage she was 15 and he was 25. I believe they were from Arkansas. (US readers will get that.)

Did they meet in a car-park, in secret, while he was married to someone else with no intention of ever marrying her?

Obviously not. So not the same thing at all.

The full context matters. Intent and behavior matters.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Why Lloyd is sitting quiet instead of going on and on a out the false accusations...? That's the only thing that makes me wonder if it actually can be truth ...

I would expect him to do whatever will be most beneficial to him. His "I'm watching movies" seems like a way of waving a virtual finger and saying he doesn't care and doesn't need to answer to anyone.

My expectation is that the police won't be able to do much with what they have been given, especially as he's no longer resident in the UK. Even if they do have a formal complaint by a victim, it's simply too much work for the crime concerned - I know that sounds like down-playing it, but it's simply being realistic based on how much evidence they have ignored of previous far worse crimes by entire grooming and abuse gangs.

So expect no satisfactory outcome. No one will ever know for sure and some will chose to believe him, because they want to, and use the lack of prosecution as evidence of innocence, and to lesson his other behavior based on a comparison. Others will see a repeated pattern of behavior and believe there is no smoke without fire, and that it's just another manifestation of a narcissistic, misogynistic bad-actor who has done untold damage to ex-JWs and bullied many good people away so he can control what he sees as a profitable market.

But at the very least, people should be able to make an informed choice if he's really the kind of person they want to give money for, and whether that money truly goes to anti-Watchtower activities or enabling sleazy behavior.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

Because the rest of Europe are savages, and missed out on anglo-saxon history and law-making. Just one more example of how the UK was never really part of EU.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

It would mean his father was comfortable covering up crimes and advising how to evade justice, but apostasy is much worse and he must be shunned

Remember, we only have his word and story on anything that happened in his life. We know he lies like an Elder (sorry, couldn't resist that one) so why believe anything he's told us? As slimboyfat said, he's not the most trustworthy narrator and hasn't been since day 1.

Isn't it entirely possible that someone could find him a disgusting embarrassment and want nothing todo with him and at the same time cover up what he did because they see "protecting the organization" as the prime directive?

Don’t be quick to blame a spouse for condoning behaviour. We have no idea how horrendous the situation may truly be. No wonder she never wanted to appear in videos and he had to “surprise” her to get her on camera sometimes.

I'm not so sympathetic anymore. Past a certain point, people deserve the lives they have. They make the choices, they get to live with them. She knew about him many years ago, from his own admission, and if he's now rebuilding his studio then he's not been kicked out in spite of what she knows now. So I'm no longer going with the "poor her" theory, I'm going with "maybe likes the money" theory. Without his "activism" he'd probably be washing windows and she'd be a window-washers-wife (no offence to window washers). Either that, or he's absolutely domineering, and someone with more personal acquaintance with her needs to get her serious help to escape.

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ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith Apologizes to Jehovah’s Witnesses For Falsely Suggesting They Are Anti-Vax

by Bangalore in

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espn’s stephen a. smith apologizes to jehovah’s witnesses for falsely suggesting they are anti-vax.. https://www.thewrap.com/espn-stephen-a-smith-jehovahs-witnesses-apology/.

Simon

Most people being accused of "Anti Vaxx" are really anti-vaccine MANDATE!

i.e. they don't believe the government should be able to force a medical procedure, particularly an experimental one that hasn't been given FDA approval with no recourse for any harm it causes, on anyone.

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The Left and Present Truth

by neat blue dog in

add yet another jw similarity to the list:.

they say now the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks.

things like the effectiveness of masks and the vaccine, the origin of covid-19 in a lab, clinton spying on trump, the existence of a pedophile ring for the elites and more, things branded as conspiracy theories have been proven true.

Simon

Has anyone noticed how for a long time, you find out news on the internet and then a week later your local news channel has it as a breaking story?

Now the conspiracy theories that are rubbished at the time turn out to be absolutely true 6months to 2 years later.

Then people try to gaslight you that they always knew and supported that truth, even though they pushed for people to be socially executed at the time for not repeating the official mantra.

Practically everything you read or hear through traditional media is now a lie, coming straight from government agencies.

Think critically and act accordingly.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

Countries that have lower age-of-consent laws tend to have a "Juliet clause" that limits the age-difference, precisely to protect them from abuse without also criminalizing young people in genuine relationships.

Because there is a world of difference between a 14 year old girl with a 16 year old boyfriend, and a 14 year old girl and a 30 year old man who's groomed her online to meetup in a car-park.

Anyone who thinks these are the same is either a ridiculous simpleton, a pedo apologist or a pedo.

But it's an irrelevant distraction what the law is elsewhere, the age of consent in England and Wales is 16, anyone having sex with such a minor who cannot legally give consent, but especially a 30 year old man, is a child rapist. Also, the legal definition of sex in this case isn't limited to full intercourse, it includes oral and masturbation.

If someone can't control their penis, and has shown a tendency and willingness to use "girls" then whether they have actually raped an underage girl and end up facing prosecution for it is immaterial - they have no business ever being near or involving themselves in anything to do with child sexual abuse survivors for the optics alone.

But the thought that someone like that went out of their way to involve themselves into groups that dealt with such survivors really gives me Jimmy Saville vibes - he was always keen to "help" children's charities, such a keen campaigner for kids ...